[20.47-20.48] Good morning and thank you for being
[20.48-22.47] Good morning and thank you for being here today. Over the past several years,
[22.47-22.48] here today. Over the past several years,
[22.48-24.39] here today. Over the past several years, Canadians have experienced the pandemic
[24.39-24.40] Canadians have experienced the pandemic
[24.40-27.11] Canadians have experienced the pandemic in very different ways. Many families
[27.11-27.12] in very different ways. Many families
[27.12-30.23] in very different ways. Many families lost loved ones to CO 19. Many frontline
[30.23-30.24] lost loved ones to CO 19. Many frontline
[30.24-32.55] lost loved ones to CO 19. Many frontline health care workers and first responders
[32.55-32.56] health care workers and first responders
[32.56-34.31] health care workers and first responders also carried an enormous burden
[34.31-34.32] also carried an enormous burden
[34.32-36.39] also carried an enormous burden throughout the pandemic. They showed up
[36.39-36.40] throughout the pandemic. They showed up
[36.40-38.71] throughout the pandemic. They showed up every day, often under incredibly
[38.71-38.72] every day, often under incredibly
[38.72-40.47] every day, often under incredibly difficult circumstances, to care for
[40.47-40.48] difficult circumstances, to care for
[40.48-43.67] difficult circumstances, to care for Canadians, and keep our community safe.
[43.67-43.68] Canadians, and keep our community safe.
[43.68-45.19] Canadians, and keep our community safe. I want to take a moment to recognize
[45.19-45.20] I want to take a moment to recognize
[45.20-47.27] I want to take a moment to recognize them and thank them for their service,
[47.27-47.28] them and thank them for their service,
[47.28-49.27] them and thank them for their service, for their sacrifice, and for the work
[49.27-49.28] for their sacrifice, and for the work
[49.28-52.71] for their sacrifice, and for the work they continue to do every single day.
[52.71-52.72] they continue to do every single day.
[52.72-54.55] they continue to do every single day. Over the past several months, we've been
[54.55-54.56] Over the past several months, we've been
[54.56-56.71] Over the past several months, we've been asking Canadians who experienced serious
[56.71-56.72] asking Canadians who experienced serious
[56.72-59.11] asking Canadians who experienced serious adverse events following CO 19
[59.11-59.12] adverse events following CO 19
[59.12-61.19] adverse events following CO 19 vaccination to come forward and share
[61.19-61.20] vaccination to come forward and share
[61.20-63.91] vaccination to come forward and share their stories. The response has been
[63.91-63.92] their stories. The response has been
[63.92-67.35] their stories. The response has been overwhelming. More than 1,000 people
[67.35-67.36] overwhelming. More than 1,000 people
[67.36-69.91] overwhelming. More than 1,000 people have now applied online asking for the
[69.91-69.92] have now applied online asking for the
[69.92-71.99] have now applied online asking for the opportunity to have their voices heard.
[71.99-72.00] opportunity to have their voices heard.
[72.00-75.43] opportunity to have their voices heard. Think about that for one moment.
[75.43-75.44] Think about that for one moment.
[75.44-78.23] Think about that for one moment. More than 1,000 Canadians have stepped
[78.23-78.24] More than 1,000 Canadians have stepped
[78.24-80.47] More than 1,000 Canadians have stepped forward. many after years of struggling
[80.47-80.48] forward. many after years of struggling
[80.48-82.39] forward. many after years of struggling with their health, struggling to get
[82.39-82.40] with their health, struggling to get
[82.40-84.15] with their health, struggling to get answers, and struggling to navigate a
[84.15-84.16] answers, and struggling to navigate a
[84.16-86.15] answers, and struggling to navigate a system they believe was supposed to help
[86.15-86.16] system they believe was supposed to help
[86.16-89.03] system they believe was supposed to help them. Unfortunately, we simply cannot
[89.03-89.04] them. Unfortunately, we simply cannot
[89.04-90.39] them. Unfortunately, we simply cannot hear from everyone during these
[90.39-90.40] hear from everyone during these
[90.40-92.95] hear from everyone during these hearings. In September, we expect to
[92.95-92.96] hearings. In September, we expect to
[92.96-94.87] hearings. In September, we expect to hear directly from approximately 15
[94.87-94.88] hear directly from approximately 15
[94.88-97.91] hear directly from approximately 15 vaccine injured Canadians. 50 vaccine
[97.91-97.92] vaccine injured Canadians. 50 vaccine
[97.92-99.75] vaccine injured Canadians. 50 vaccine injured Canadians. But I want to make
[99.75-99.76] injured Canadians. But I want to make
[99.76-102.31] injured Canadians. But I want to make something very clear. The 50 people who
[102.31-102.32] something very clear. The 50 people who
[102.32-104.87] something very clear. The 50 people who testify are not the only stories that
[104.87-104.88] testify are not the only stories that
[104.88-107.03] testify are not the only stories that matter. They represent more than the
[107.03-107.04] matter. They represent more than the
[107.04-109.43] matter. They represent more than the thousand people that have contacted us
[109.43-109.44] thousand people that have contacted us
[109.44-111.99] thousand people that have contacted us and the many, many more Canadians across
[111.99-112.00] and the many, many more Canadians across
[112.00-114.39] and the many, many more Canadians across the country who have never come forward.
[114.39-114.40] the country who have never come forward.
[114.40-117.19] the country who have never come forward. These are not statistics. They are
[117.19-117.20] These are not statistics. They are
[117.20-120.39] These are not statistics. They are mothers and fathers, sons and daughters,
[120.39-120.40] mothers and fathers, sons and daughters,
[120.40-124.39] mothers and fathers, sons and daughters, friends and neighbors. They are MPs, MP
[124.39-124.40] friends and neighbors. They are MPs, MP
[124.40-127.67] friends and neighbors. They are MPs, MP staff and senators. They are in the
[127.67-127.68] staff and senators. They are in the
[127.68-130.07] staff and senators. They are in the media. They are doctors. They are
[130.07-130.08] media. They are doctors. They are
[130.08-133.19] media. They are doctors. They are literally in every walk of life. We're
[133.19-133.20] literally in every walk of life. We're
[133.20-135.27] literally in every walk of life. We're also going to hear from Crystal, the
[135.27-135.28] also going to hear from Crystal, the
[135.28-137.43] also going to hear from Crystal, the sister of Scott Gory. [clears throat]
[137.43-137.44] sister of Scott Gory. [clears throat]
[137.44-139.11] sister of Scott Gory. [clears throat] Scott was well known here in Parliament
[139.11-139.12] Scott was well known here in Parliament
[139.12-141.43] Scott was well known here in Parliament Hill, where he served as a dedicated
[141.43-141.44] Hill, where he served as a dedicated
[141.44-143.83] Hill, where he served as a dedicated staff member to several members of
[143.83-143.84] staff member to several members of
[143.84-147.43] staff member to several members of Parliament. Sadly, Scott's family said
[147.43-147.44] Parliament. Sadly, Scott's family said
[147.44-150.55] Parliament. Sadly, Scott's family said goodbye to him in July.
[150.55-150.56] goodbye to him in July.
[150.56-152.71] goodbye to him in July. He he leaves behind his wife and two
[152.71-152.72] He he leaves behind his wife and two
[152.72-155.51] He he leaves behind his wife and two young children. Scott passed away from
[155.51-155.52] young children. Scott passed away from
[155.52-158.47] young children. Scott passed away from myocarditis. Before he died, Scott told
[158.47-158.48] myocarditis. Before he died, Scott told
[158.48-160.55] myocarditis. Before he died, Scott told his sister that he wanted his story to
[160.55-160.56] his sister that he wanted his story to
[160.56-163.03] his sister that he wanted his story to be told. He wanted people to know what
[163.03-163.04] be told. He wanted people to know what
[163.04-165.11] be told. He wanted people to know what he had experienced and what he and his
[165.11-165.12] he had experienced and what he and his
[165.12-167.59] he had experienced and what he and his family had gone through. Scott is no
[167.59-167.60] family had gone through. Scott is no
[167.60-169.99] family had gone through. Scott is no longer here to tell that story. So, his
[169.99-170.00] longer here to tell that story. So, his
[170.00-171.91] longer here to tell that story. So, his sister Crystal will honor her brother's
[171.91-171.92] sister Crystal will honor her brother's
[171.92-175.11] sister Crystal will honor her brother's request and tell it for him. That is
[175.11-175.12] request and tell it for him. That is
[175.12-177.35] request and tell it for him. That is what these hearings are about. Giving a
[177.35-177.36] what these hearings are about. Giving a
[177.36-179.03] what these hearings are about. Giving a voice to people who have asked to be
[179.03-179.04] voice to people who have asked to be
[179.04-181.03] voice to people who have asked to be heard, including those who are no longer
[181.03-181.04] heard, including those who are no longer
[181.04-183.67] heard, including those who are no longer able to speak for themselves. And they
[183.67-183.68] able to speak for themselves. And they
[183.68-185.35] able to speak for themselves. And they deserve to be treated with dignity,
[185.35-185.36] deserve to be treated with dignity,
[185.36-188.47] deserve to be treated with dignity, respect, and compassion. One issue we
[188.47-188.48] respect, and compassion. One issue we
[188.48-190.63] respect, and compassion. One issue we want to intend to examine closely is
[190.63-190.64] want to intend to examine closely is
[190.64-193.11] want to intend to examine closely is Canada's vaccine injury support program.
[193.11-193.12] Canada's vaccine injury support program.
[193.12-195.03] Canada's vaccine injury support program. The program was created to pro provide
[195.03-195.04] The program was created to pro provide
[195.04-196.87] The program was created to pro provide financial support to people who
[196.87-196.88] financial support to people who
[196.88-198.31] financial support to people who experienced a serious and permanent
[198.31-198.32] experienced a serious and permanent
[198.32-202.07] experienced a serious and permanent injury following vaccination. On paper
[202.07-202.08] injury following vaccination. On paper
[202.08-203.83] injury following vaccination. On paper that sounds straightforward, but what
[203.83-203.84] that sounds straightforward, but what
[203.84-205.59] that sounds straightforward, but what we've heard from applicants is anything
[205.59-205.60] we've heard from applicants is anything
[205.60-207.59] we've heard from applicants is anything but straightforward. We have heard
[207.59-207.60] but straightforward. We have heard
[207.60-209.51] but straightforward. We have heard stories about people waiting months and
[209.51-209.52] stories about people waiting months and
[209.52-212.31] stories about people waiting months and in some cases for years for answers.
[212.31-212.32] in some cases for years for answers.
[212.32-214.31] in some cases for years for answers. People being asked repeatedly to submit
[214.31-214.32] People being asked repeatedly to submit
[214.32-216.47] People being asked repeatedly to submit medical information. People being asked
[216.47-216.48] medical information. People being asked
[216.48-217.99] medical information. People being asked to resend documents they say they
[217.99-218.00] to resend documents they say they
[218.00-220.23] to resend documents they say they already provided. People being told that
[220.23-220.24] already provided. People being told that
[220.24-221.67] already provided. People being told that information or files could not be
[221.67-221.68] information or files could not be
[221.68-223.83] information or files could not be located. People struggling to determine
[223.83-223.84] located. People struggling to determine
[223.84-226.07] located. People struggling to determine the status of their claims. And people
[226.07-226.08] the status of their claims. And people
[226.08-227.43] the status of their claims. And people who say they simply cannot get
[227.43-227.44] who say they simply cannot get
[227.44-228.79] who say they simply cannot get meaningful answers about what is
[228.79-228.80] meaningful answers about what is
[228.80-231.11] meaningful answers about what is happening with their case. For someone
[231.11-231.12] happening with their case. For someone
[231.12-232.55] happening with their case. For someone already dealing with a serious health
[232.55-232.56] already dealing with a serious health
[232.56-234.71] already dealing with a serious health issue, navigating a complicated
[234.71-234.72] issue, navigating a complicated
[234.72-236.63] issue, navigating a complicated bureaucracy should not become another
[236.63-236.64] bureaucracy should not become another
[236.64-238.71] bureaucracy should not become another burden they have to carry. Federal
[238.71-238.72] burden they have to carry. Federal
[238.72-240.79] burden they have to carry. Federal figures show that among the thousands of
[240.79-240.80] figures show that among the thousands of
[240.80-242.79] figures show that among the thousands of adverse events that have been reported,
[242.79-242.80] adverse events that have been reported,
[242.80-244.79] adverse events that have been reported, only a small number of people have
[244.79-244.80] only a small number of people have
[244.80-246.79] only a small number of people have ultimately received compensation through
[246.79-246.80] ultimately received compensation through
[246.80-249.19] ultimately received compensation through the vaccine entry support program. That
[249.19-249.20] the vaccine entry support program. That
[249.20-251.35] the vaccine entry support program. That raises legitimate questions. Why does
[251.35-251.36] raises legitimate questions. Why does
[251.36-253.43] raises legitimate questions. Why does the process take so long? Why are
[253.43-253.44] the process take so long? Why are
[253.44-255.59] the process take so long? Why are applicants having so much difficulty
[255.59-255.60] applicants having so much difficulty
[255.60-257.67] applicants having so much difficulty accessing the program? And why are
[257.67-257.68] accessing the program? And why are
[257.68-259.27] accessing the program? And why are people being asked repeatedly for this
[259.27-259.28] people being asked repeatedly for this
[259.28-261.19] people being asked repeatedly for this information? Why are we hearing
[261.19-261.20] information? Why are we hearing
[261.20-262.71] information? Why are we hearing allegations of missing documents and
[262.71-262.72] allegations of missing documents and
[262.72-264.87] allegations of missing documents and lost files? And perhaps mo most
[264.87-264.88] lost files? And perhaps mo most
[264.88-266.63] lost files? And perhaps mo most importantly, is the program actually
[266.63-266.64] importantly, is the program actually
[266.64-268.31] importantly, is the program actually delivering the timely support that
[268.31-268.32] delivering the timely support that
[268.32-270.47] delivering the timely support that vaccine injured Canadians were promised?
[270.47-270.48] vaccine injured Canadians were promised?
[270.48-272.39] vaccine injured Canadians were promised? These are reasonable questions and
[272.39-272.40] These are reasonable questions and
[272.40-274.55] These are reasonable questions and Canadians deserve reasonable answers.
[274.55-274.56] Canadians deserve reasonable answers.
[274.56-277.19] Canadians deserve reasonable answers. This should not be controversial.
[277.19-277.20] This should not be controversial.
[277.20-278.79] This should not be controversial. You can believe that vaccines played an
[278.79-278.80] You can believe that vaccines played an
[278.80-280.71] You can believe that vaccines played an important role during the pandemic and
[280.71-280.72] important role during the pandemic and
[280.72-282.07] important role during the pandemic and still believe that people who
[282.07-282.08] still believe that people who
[282.08-284.23] still believe that people who experienced serious adverse events
[284.23-284.24] experienced serious adverse events
[284.24-286.07] experienced serious adverse events deserve help. You can support
[286.07-286.08] deserve help. You can support
[286.08-287.59] deserve help. You can support vaccination. and you can still demand
[287.59-287.60] vaccination. and you can still demand
[287.60-289.43] vaccination. and you can still demand accountability from the program
[289.43-289.44] accountability from the program
[289.44-291.91] accountability from the program established specifically to compensate
[291.91-291.92] established specifically to compensate
[291.92-294.39] established specifically to compensate those who are seriously injured. These
[294.39-294.40] those who are seriously injured. These
[294.40-296.39] those who are seriously injured. These positions, these positions are not
[296.39-296.40] positions, these positions are not
[296.40-298.71] positions, these positions are not contradictory. They are what compassion,
[298.71-298.72] contradictory. They are what compassion,
[298.72-300.63] contradictory. They are what compassion, responsibility, public policy should
[300.63-300.64] responsibility, public policy should
[300.64-302.55] responsibility, public policy should look like. The purpose of these hearings
[302.55-302.56] look like. The purpose of these hearings
[302.56-304.23] look like. The purpose of these hearings is not to tell witnesses what happened
[304.23-304.24] is not to tell witnesses what happened
[304.24-306.87] is not to tell witnesses what happened to them. It's to allow them to tell us.
[306.87-306.88] to them. It's to allow them to tell us.
[306.88-309.59] to them. It's to allow them to tell us. For too long, many of these Canadians
[309.59-309.60] For too long, many of these Canadians
[309.60-310.87] For too long, many of these Canadians believe their experiences have been
[310.87-310.88] believe their experiences have been
[310.88-313.11] believe their experiences have been dismissed, minimalized, or simply
[313.11-313.12] dismissed, minimalized, or simply
[313.12-315.83] dismissed, minimalized, or simply ignored. vaccine injured Canadians have
[315.83-315.84] ignored. vaccine injured Canadians have
[315.84-318.31] ignored. vaccine injured Canadians have told us they feel abandoned. Our job is
[318.31-318.32] told us they feel abandoned. Our job is
[318.32-320.63] told us they feel abandoned. Our job is to listen and that's exactly what we
[320.63-320.64] to listen and that's exactly what we
[320.64-322.55] to listen and that's exactly what we intend to do. When these hearings begin
[322.55-322.56] intend to do. When these hearings begin
[322.56-323.99] intend to do. When these hearings begin in September, Canadians will hear
[323.99-324.00] in September, Canadians will hear
[324.00-325.67] in September, Canadians will hear directly from vaccine injured
[325.67-325.68] directly from vaccine injured
[325.68-327.83] directly from vaccine injured individuals. They will also hear from in
[327.83-327.84] individuals. They will also hear from in
[327.84-329.27] individuals. They will also hear from in some individuals who will provide some
[329.27-329.28] some individuals who will provide some
[329.28-331.51] some individuals who will provide some important context to help us better
[331.51-331.52] important context to help us better
[331.52-333.51] important context to help us better understand what these Canadians have
[333.51-333.52] understand what these Canadians have
[333.52-335.43] understand what these Canadians have experienced. Canadians will hear about
[335.43-335.44] experienced. Canadians will hear about
[335.44-337.67] experienced. Canadians will hear about the vaccine injury support program, the
[337.67-337.68] the vaccine injury support program, the
[337.68-339.19] the vaccine injury support program, the experience of people that have attempted
[339.19-339.20] experience of people that have attempted
[339.20-341.11] experience of people that have attempted to navigate it. More than a thousand
[341.11-341.12] to navigate it. More than a thousand
[341.12-342.31] to navigate it. More than a thousand Canadians have already raised their
[342.31-342.32] Canadians have already raised their
[342.32-345.11] Canadians have already raised their hands and said, "I want my story heard."
[345.11-345.12] hands and said, "I want my story heard."
[345.12-346.87] hands and said, "I want my story heard." We may only have time to hear 50 of them
[346.87-346.88] We may only have time to hear 50 of them
[346.88-349.03] We may only have time to hear 50 of them during these hearings, but every one of
[349.03-349.04] during these hearings, but every one of
[349.04-351.11] during these hearings, but every one of those thousand voices matter. Their
[351.11-351.12] those thousand voices matter. Their
[351.12-352.95] those thousand voices matter. Their experience matters. Their families
[352.95-352.96] experience matters. Their families
[352.96-354.87] experience matters. Their families matter, and their stories matter.
[354.87-354.88] matter, and their stories matter.
[354.88-356.47] matter, and their stories matter. Canadians should never be afraid to tell
[356.47-356.48] Canadians should never be afraid to tell
[356.48-358.23] Canadians should never be afraid to tell their stories, and their government
[358.23-358.24] their stories, and their government
[358.24-360.63] their stories, and their government should never be afraid to listen. If you
[360.63-360.64] should never be afraid to listen. If you
[360.64-362.95] should never be afraid to listen. If you or someone you know has a story to speak
[362.95-362.96] or someone you know has a story to speak
[362.96-365.35] or someone you know has a story to speak up, contact your MP. Ask them to
[365.35-365.36] up, contact your MP. Ask them to
[365.36-367.43] up, contact your MP. Ask them to participate in the Allison Inquiry
[367.43-367.44] participate in the Allison Inquiry
[367.44-370.63] participate in the Allison Inquiry September 8th to 11th in Ottawa. Watch
[370.63-370.64] September 8th to 11th in Ottawa. Watch
[370.64-373.51] September 8th to 11th in Ottawa. Watch it, share it, encourage others to
[373.51-373.52] it, share it, encourage others to
[373.52-376.15] it, share it, encourage others to listen. Their stories matter, their
[376.15-376.16] listen. Their stories matter, their
[376.16-378.55] listen. Their stories matter, their lives matter, and they deserve to be
[378.55-378.56] lives matter, and they deserve to be
[378.56-381.19] lives matter, and they deserve to be heard. Now, I want to turn it over to
[381.19-381.20] heard. Now, I want to turn it over to
[381.20-383.43] heard. Now, I want to turn it over to Miriam, who is one of her volunteers.
[383.43-383.44] Miriam, who is one of her volunteers.
[383.44-385.75] Miriam, who is one of her volunteers. her day her day job as a lawyer and
[385.75-385.76] her day her day job as a lawyer and
[385.76-387.19] her day her day job as a lawyer and she'll be helping our French-speaking
[387.19-387.20] she'll be helping our French-speaking
[387.20-389.83] she'll be helping our French-speaking witnesses who are COVID 19 vaccine
[389.83-389.84] witnesses who are COVID 19 vaccine
[389.84-391.99] witnesses who are COVID 19 vaccine injured from Quebec as we will be
[391.99-392.00] injured from Quebec as we will be
[392.00-394.23] injured from Quebec as we will be broadcasting the full inquiry with
[394.23-394.24] broadcasting the full inquiry with
[394.24-396.07] broadcasting the full inquiry with French translation. Thank you. Over to
[396.07-396.08] French translation. Thank you. Over to
[396.08-399.59] French translation. Thank you. Over to Miriam.
[434.23-434.24] [snorts]
[434.24-446.71] [snorts] massage.
[448.23-448.24] Mayor
[448.24-452.79] Mayor Mafi.
[578.39-578.40] the pen
[578.40-599.43] the pen solitude.
[601.19-601.20] The compassion,
[601.20-610.23] The compassion, the recess,
[793.11-793.12] solidarity.
[793.12-812.31] solidarity. The compassion resilience.
[852.63-852.64] >> My name is Dr. Charles Huff. I'm a
[852.64-854.63] >> My name is Dr. Charles Huff. I'm a family doctor from southern British
[854.63-854.64] family doctor from southern British
[854.64-856.15] family doctor from southern British Columbia
[856.15-856.16] Columbia
[856.16-859.99] Columbia where I've worked since since 1993. I
[859.99-860.00] where I've worked since since 1993. I
[860.00-863.43] where I've worked since since 1993. I serve mostly the Lakapa First Nations
[863.43-863.44] serve mostly the Lakapa First Nations
[863.44-866.39] serve mostly the Lakapa First Nations people.
[866.39-866.40] people.
[866.40-868.87] people. When this when the vaccine roll out
[868.87-868.88] When this when the vaccine roll out
[868.88-870.47] When this when the vaccine roll out began,
[870.47-870.48] began,
[870.48-875.43] began, um I tried to alert my colleagues in the
[875.43-875.44] um I tried to alert my colleagues in the
[875.44-879.19] um I tried to alert my colleagues in the area to serious safety signals and was
[879.19-879.20] area to serious safety signals and was
[879.20-881.43] area to serious safety signals and was reprimanded by the authorities and told
[881.43-881.44] reprimanded by the authorities and told
[881.44-883.99] reprimanded by the authorities and told that I was not allowed to say anything
[883.99-884.00] that I was not allowed to say anything
[884.00-886.87] that I was not allowed to say anything negative about the vaccines.
[886.87-886.88] negative about the vaccines.
[886.88-889.59] negative about the vaccines. And so when I started to see very
[889.59-889.60] And so when I started to see very
[889.60-892.71] And so when I started to see very serious side effects in my own patients
[892.71-892.72] serious side effects in my own patients
[892.72-895.91] serious side effects in my own patients um within within 3 months of the onset
[895.91-895.92] um within within 3 months of the onset
[895.92-897.75] um within within 3 months of the onset of the vaccine roll out I had one
[897.75-897.76] of the vaccine roll out I had one
[897.76-900.23] of the vaccine roll out I had one patient who died suddenly after his
[900.23-900.24] patient who died suddenly after his
[900.24-902.23] patient who died suddenly after his shot. I had three people who were
[902.23-902.24] shot. I had three people who were
[902.24-904.47] shot. I had three people who were clearly going to be permanently disabled
[904.47-904.48] clearly going to be permanently disabled
[904.48-906.79] clearly going to be permanently disabled and a n number of others who were
[906.79-906.80] and a n number of others who were
[906.80-909.27] and a n number of others who were seriously injured. So I sent an open
[909.27-909.28] seriously injured. So I sent an open
[909.28-911.67] seriously injured. So I sent an open letter to the British Columbia public
[911.67-911.68] letter to the British Columbia public
[911.68-914.07] letter to the British Columbia public health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry to
[914.07-914.08] health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry to
[914.08-917.51] health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry to inform her of these safety signals. Her
[917.51-917.52] inform her of these safety signals. Her
[917.52-919.99] inform her of these safety signals. Her response was to refer this to her top
[919.99-920.00] response was to refer this to her top
[920.00-922.79] response was to refer this to her top vaccine safety specialist, Dr. Monica
[922.79-922.80] vaccine safety specialist, Dr. Monica
[922.80-925.35] vaccine safety specialist, Dr. Monica Nouse, who assured me without any
[925.35-925.36] Nouse, who assured me without any
[925.36-927.67] Nouse, who assured me without any investigation of any of my patients that
[927.67-927.68] investigation of any of my patients that
[927.68-930.63] investigation of any of my patients that these were all coincidences. So I said,
[930.63-930.64] these were all coincidences. So I said,
[930.64-932.39] these were all coincidences. So I said, well, so
[932.39-932.40] well, so
[932.40-934.39] well, so I I said, I've been family doctor to
[934.39-934.40] I I said, I've been family doctor to
[934.40-936.55] I I said, I've been family doctor to these people for 28 years. I know them
[936.55-936.56] these people for 28 years. I know them
[936.56-938.47] these people for 28 years. I know them very well and there is no other medical
[938.47-938.48] very well and there is no other medical
[938.48-941.67] very well and there is no other medical explanation for these terrible disabling
[941.67-941.68] explanation for these terrible disabling
[941.68-943.91] explanation for these terrible disabling symptoms that they have. She insisted
[943.91-943.92] symptoms that they have. She insisted
[943.92-946.63] symptoms that they have. She insisted that they were all coincidences and told
[946.63-946.64] that they were all coincidences and told
[946.64-948.95] that they were all coincidences and told me to just submit vaccine injury
[948.95-948.96] me to just submit vaccine injury
[948.96-951.27] me to just submit vaccine injury reports. So I started submitting the
[951.27-951.28] reports. So I started submitting the
[951.28-954.23] reports. So I started submitting the reports and ultimately I submitted 14 in
[954.23-954.24] reports and ultimately I submitted 14 in
[954.24-956.55] reports and ultimately I submitted 14 in total and when every single one was
[956.55-956.56] total and when every single one was
[956.56-959.43] total and when every single one was denied as a coincidence by public health
[959.43-959.44] denied as a coincidence by public health
[959.44-961.43] denied as a coincidence by public health I gave up.
[961.43-961.44] I gave up.
[961.44-964.71] I gave up. To this day I have 36 vaccine injured
[964.71-964.72] To this day I have 36 vaccine injured
[964.72-967.11] To this day I have 36 vaccine injured patients. This is just the co vaccines
[967.11-967.12] patients. This is just the co vaccines
[967.12-969.51] patients. This is just the co vaccines I'm talking about in my practice and I
[969.51-969.52] I'm talking about in my practice and I
[969.52-971.35] I'm talking about in my practice and I have a small one-man practice of
[971.35-971.36] have a small one-man practice of
[971.36-975.67] have a small one-man practice of approximately 1100 people. So,
[975.67-975.68] approximately 1100 people. So,
[975.68-978.07] approximately 1100 people. So, so the second response of the
[978.07-978.08] so the second response of the
[978.08-980.23] so the second response of the authorities to me trying to alert them
[980.23-980.24] authorities to me trying to alert them
[980.24-981.99] authorities to me trying to alert them about what was happening to my own
[981.99-982.00] about what was happening to my own
[982.00-984.63] about what was happening to my own patients was to send a warning letter.
[984.63-984.64] patients was to send a warning letter.
[984.64-986.55] patients was to send a warning letter. The College of Physicians and Surgeons
[986.55-986.56] The College of Physicians and Surgeons
[986.56-988.63] The College of Physicians and Surgeons sent a warning letter to every
[988.63-988.64] sent a warning letter to every
[988.64-990.63] sent a warning letter to every registered doctor warning them that if
[990.63-990.64] registered doctor warning them that if
[990.64-993.51] registered doctor warning them that if they spoke misinformation about COVID or
[993.51-993.52] they spoke misinformation about COVID or
[993.52-995.51] they spoke misinformation about COVID or the CO vaccines that they would be
[995.51-995.52] the CO vaccines that they would be
[995.52-998.15] the CO vaccines that they would be investigated and if necessary
[998.15-998.16] investigated and if necessary
[998.16-1001.11] investigated and if necessary disciplined. In other words, this was
[1001.11-1001.12] disciplined. In other words, this was
[1001.12-1004.39] disciplined. In other words, this was like a this was a a effectively a gag
[1004.39-1004.40] like a this was a a effectively a gag
[1004.40-1006.87] like a this was a a effectively a gag order to the entire medical community.
[1006.87-1006.88] order to the entire medical community.
[1006.88-1009.27] order to the entire medical community. These shots are safe and effective.
[1009.27-1009.28] These shots are safe and effective.
[1009.28-1012.23] These shots are safe and effective. Don't say anything to the contrary. you
[1012.23-1012.24] Don't say anything to the contrary. you
[1012.24-1015.75] Don't say anything to the contrary. you will be putting people at risk.
[1015.75-1015.76] will be putting people at risk.
[1015.76-1017.67] will be putting people at risk. So ultimately I was charged with
[1017.67-1017.68] So ultimately I was charged with
[1017.68-1020.15] So ultimately I was charged with spreading misinformation
[1020.15-1020.16] spreading misinformation
[1020.16-1023.35] spreading misinformation and and to cut a long story short after
[1023.35-1023.36] and and to cut a long story short after
[1023.36-1026.71] and and to cut a long story short after they eventually dropped those charges
[1026.71-1026.72] they eventually dropped those charges
[1026.72-1029.11] they eventually dropped those charges um shortly before my trial because I had
[1029.11-1029.12] um shortly before my trial because I had
[1029.12-1032.31] um shortly before my trial because I had a brilliant lawyer and eight worldclass
[1032.31-1032.32] a brilliant lawyer and eight worldclass
[1032.32-1035.83] a brilliant lawyer and eight worldclass um expert witnesses to defend me. The
[1035.83-1035.84] um expert witnesses to defend me. The
[1035.84-1037.75] um expert witnesses to defend me. The only reason that the college could give
[1037.75-1037.76] only reason that the college could give
[1037.76-1039.83] only reason that the college could give me for why they dropped the charges is
[1039.83-1039.84] me for why they dropped the charges is
[1039.84-1043.03] me for why they dropped the charges is that this process has already fulfilled
[1043.03-1043.04] that this process has already fulfilled
[1043.04-1045.35] that this process has already fulfilled its purpose of acting at a as a
[1045.35-1045.36] its purpose of acting at a as a
[1045.36-1047.91] its purpose of acting at a as a deterrent to other doctors who may wish
[1047.91-1047.92] deterrent to other doctors who may wish
[1047.92-1052.71] deterrent to other doctors who may wish to spread misinformation.
[1055.03-1055.04] So
[1055.04-1058.23] So this gag order, this warning to doctors
[1058.23-1058.24] this gag order, this warning to doctors
[1058.24-1059.83] this gag order, this warning to doctors to not spread what they called
[1059.83-1059.84] to not spread what they called
[1059.84-1062.79] to not spread what they called misinformation effectively created an
[1062.79-1062.80] misinformation effectively created an
[1062.80-1064.95] misinformation effectively created an illusion of consensus
[1064.95-1064.96] illusion of consensus
[1064.96-1066.87] illusion of consensus because the doctors were too afraid to
[1066.87-1066.88] because the doctors were too afraid to
[1066.88-1069.27] because the doctors were too afraid to speak up. All the doctors thought that I
[1069.27-1069.28] speak up. All the doctors thought that I
[1069.28-1071.35] speak up. All the doctors thought that I was there were very few doctors out
[1071.35-1071.36] was there were very few doctors out
[1071.36-1073.43] was there were very few doctors out there trying to raise the alarm of what
[1073.43-1073.44] there trying to raise the alarm of what
[1073.44-1075.51] there trying to raise the alarm of what was happening because it was clearly
[1075.51-1075.52] was happening because it was clearly
[1075.52-1077.91] was happening because it was clearly devastating. And I pointed out in my
[1077.91-1077.92] devastating. And I pointed out in my
[1077.92-1080.47] devastating. And I pointed out in my letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry that that at
[1080.47-1080.48] letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry that that at
[1080.48-1083.83] letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry that that at that point which was uh 15 months into
[1083.83-1083.84] that point which was uh 15 months into
[1083.84-1086.55] that point which was uh 15 months into the pandemic, we had not had one single
[1086.55-1086.56] the pandemic, we had not had one single
[1086.56-1089.11] the pandemic, we had not had one single person in our town needing any health
[1089.11-1089.12] person in our town needing any health
[1089.12-1092.31] person in our town needing any health care for CO at all. And as soon as the
[1092.31-1092.32] care for CO at all. And as soon as the
[1092.32-1095.03] care for CO at all. And as soon as the vaccine roll out started,
[1095.03-1095.04] vaccine roll out started,
[1095.04-1099.67] vaccine roll out started, then the real problem ar the real real
[1099.67-1099.68] then the real problem ar the real real
[1099.68-1103.35] then the real problem ar the real real um casualties emerged. And I pointed out
[1103.35-1103.36] um casualties emerged. And I pointed out
[1103.36-1105.75] um casualties emerged. And I pointed out to her that it was clear to me that the
[1105.75-1105.76] to her that it was clear to me that the
[1105.76-1108.23] to her that it was clear to me that the CO injections were more dangerous than
[1108.23-1108.24] CO injections were more dangerous than
[1108.24-1109.99] CO injections were more dangerous than CO.
[1109.99-1110.00] CO.
[1110.00-1112.63] CO. So of course the the response of the
[1112.63-1112.64] So of course the the response of the
[1112.64-1114.71] So of course the the response of the authorities is well yes it's unfortunate
[1114.71-1114.72] authorities is well yes it's unfortunate
[1114.72-1118.79] authorities is well yes it's unfortunate if a few people get hurt but but the the
[1118.79-1118.80] if a few people get hurt but but the the
[1118.80-1120.71] if a few people get hurt but but the the but the the the vaccines are saving
[1120.71-1120.72] but the the the vaccines are saving
[1120.72-1122.39] but the the the vaccines are saving millions of lives. They are keeping
[1122.39-1122.40] millions of lives. They are keeping
[1122.40-1125.03] millions of lives. They are keeping people safe. So one needs to keep in
[1125.03-1125.04] people safe. So one needs to keep in
[1125.04-1127.51] people safe. So one needs to keep in mind that in the first year of the
[1127.51-1127.52] mind that in the first year of the
[1127.52-1129.83] mind that in the first year of the pandemic there was absolutely no
[1129.83-1129.84] pandemic there was absolutely no
[1129.84-1132.31] pandemic there was absolutely no increase in the number of people dying
[1132.31-1132.32] increase in the number of people dying
[1132.32-1134.71] increase in the number of people dying in Canada. If we look at all cause
[1134.71-1134.72] in Canada. If we look at all cause
[1134.72-1136.55] in Canada. If we look at all cause mortality in the first year of the
[1136.55-1136.56] mortality in the first year of the
[1136.56-1138.87] mortality in the first year of the pandemic it was no different than what
[1138.87-1138.88] pandemic it was no different than what
[1138.88-1141.83] pandemic it was no different than what we would expect.
[1141.83-1141.84] we would expect.
[1141.84-1143.91] we would expect. The increase in all cause mortality
[1143.91-1143.92] The increase in all cause mortality
[1143.92-1146.71] The increase in all cause mortality started after the vaccine roll out. In
[1146.71-1146.72] started after the vaccine roll out. In
[1146.72-1149.83] started after the vaccine roll out. In the United States they have now had one
[1149.83-1149.84] the United States they have now had one
[1149.84-1152.39] the United States they have now had one approximately 1 million excess. These
[1152.39-1152.40] approximately 1 million excess. These
[1152.40-1155.51] approximately 1 million excess. These are non-COVID excess deaths since the
[1155.51-1155.52] are non-COVID excess deaths since the
[1155.52-1158.39] are non-COVID excess deaths since the vaccine roll out. So this idea that the
[1158.39-1158.40] vaccine roll out. So this idea that the
[1158.40-1161.11] vaccine roll out. So this idea that the vaccines have saved millions of lives is
[1161.11-1161.12] vaccines have saved millions of lives is
[1161.12-1164.55] vaccines have saved millions of lives is absurd. The number of people dying is
[1164.55-1164.56] absurd. The number of people dying is
[1164.56-1169.83] absurd. The number of people dying is higher than ever.
[1173.03-1173.04] the the open vars. So, as I mentioned,
[1173.04-1175.51] the the open vars. So, as I mentioned, vaccine injury reporting in Canada
[1175.51-1175.52] vaccine injury reporting in Canada
[1175.52-1177.83] vaccine injury reporting in Canada appeared to be censored as I discovered
[1177.83-1177.84] appeared to be censored as I discovered
[1177.84-1181.59] appeared to be censored as I discovered when when literally of the 14 reports
[1181.59-1181.60] when when literally of the 14 reports
[1181.60-1184.31] when when literally of the 14 reports that I submitted with 100% rejection
[1184.31-1184.32] that I submitted with 100% rejection
[1184.32-1187.11] that I submitted with 100% rejection from public health. So, we have to look
[1187.11-1187.12] from public health. So, we have to look
[1187.12-1189.43] from public health. So, we have to look to other nations since Canada had a
[1189.43-1189.44] to other nations since Canada had a
[1189.44-1191.43] to other nations since Canada had a censored vaccine injury reporting
[1191.43-1191.44] censored vaccine injury reporting
[1191.44-1194.55] censored vaccine injury reporting system. So the open ve in the United
[1194.55-1194.56] system. So the open ve in the United
[1194.56-1198.55] system. So the open ve in the United States records 39,000 people who died
[1198.55-1198.56] States records 39,000 people who died
[1198.56-1201.43] States records 39,000 people who died unexpectedly within 28 days of their co
[1201.43-1201.44] unexpectedly within 28 days of their co
[1201.44-1205.83] unexpectedly within 28 days of their co shot. 39,000 and 72,000 who were
[1205.83-1205.84] shot. 39,000 and 72,000 who were
[1205.84-1208.55] shot. 39,000 and 72,000 who were permanently disabled within 28 days of
[1208.55-1208.56] permanently disabled within 28 days of
[1208.56-1210.95] permanently disabled within 28 days of their co shot. And they continue to tell
[1210.95-1210.96] their co shot. And they continue to tell
[1210.96-1213.43] their co shot. And they continue to tell us that this is safe and effective.
[1213.43-1213.44] us that this is safe and effective.
[1213.44-1215.99] us that this is safe and effective. There seems to be no ceiling on how many
[1215.99-1216.00] There seems to be no ceiling on how many
[1216.00-1218.47] There seems to be no ceiling on how many casualties there need to be before they
[1218.47-1218.48] casualties there need to be before they
[1218.48-1221.51] casualties there need to be before they shut this down. So, I am part of this
[1221.51-1221.52] shut this down. So, I am part of this
[1221.52-1224.55] shut this down. So, I am part of this Allison inquiry advocating for the
[1224.55-1224.56] Allison inquiry advocating for the
[1224.56-1227.27] Allison inquiry advocating for the safety of my own patients and for all
[1227.27-1227.28] safety of my own patients and for all
[1227.28-1228.79] safety of my own patients and for all Canadians.
[1228.79-1228.80] Canadians.
[1228.80-1234.07] Canadians. Thank you.
[1236.23-1236.24] My name is Sean Buckley and I'm a lawyer
[1236.24-1238.07] My name is Sean Buckley and I'm a lawyer volunteering with the Allison Inquiry
[1238.07-1238.08] volunteering with the Allison Inquiry
[1238.08-1240.63] volunteering with the Allison Inquiry and I've been involved in interviewing
[1240.63-1240.64] and I've been involved in interviewing
[1240.64-1242.47] and I've been involved in interviewing people that have been shortlisted. So,
[1242.47-1242.48] people that have been shortlisted. So,
[1242.48-1244.47] people that have been shortlisted. So, we we have had over a thousand
[1244.47-1244.48] we we have had over a thousand
[1244.48-1246.55] we we have had over a thousand applications. We don't know how many
[1246.55-1246.56] applications. We don't know how many
[1246.56-1248.39] applications. We don't know how many applications we'll have by the time the
[1248.39-1248.40] applications we'll have by the time the
[1248.40-1250.95] applications we'll have by the time the inquiry starts. We're still inviting
[1250.95-1250.96] inquiry starts. We're still inviting
[1250.96-1253.67] inquiry starts. We're still inviting people to apply. Um, clearly your
[1253.67-1253.68] people to apply. Um, clearly your
[1253.68-1256.15] people to apply. Um, clearly your chances of being selected is diminishing
[1256.15-1256.16] chances of being selected is diminishing
[1256.16-1259.03] chances of being selected is diminishing as we're filling slots, but we want your
[1259.03-1259.04] as we're filling slots, but we want your
[1259.04-1261.11] as we're filling slots, but we want your written story to be recorded. We want
[1261.11-1261.12] written story to be recorded. We want
[1261.12-1263.27] written story to be recorded. We want you we want you to at least be able to
[1263.27-1263.28] you we want you to at least be able to
[1263.28-1265.19] you we want you to at least be able to tell your story in writing. And we
[1265.19-1265.20] tell your story in writing. And we
[1265.20-1266.71] tell your story in writing. And we understand we've been it's been
[1266.71-1266.72] understand we've been it's been
[1266.72-1269.35] understand we've been it's been communicated to us that some people are
[1269.35-1269.36] communicated to us that some people are
[1269.36-1271.35] communicated to us that some people are afraid to apply. Some people are
[1271.35-1271.36] afraid to apply. Some people are
[1271.36-1273.59] afraid to apply. Some people are traumatized by the the thought of
[1273.59-1273.60] traumatized by the the thought of
[1273.60-1275.11] traumatized by the the thought of applying. I'll get into that in a
[1275.11-1275.12] applying. I'll get into that in a
[1275.12-1276.95] applying. I'll get into that in a moment. And we've had some people that
[1276.95-1276.96] moment. And we've had some people that
[1276.96-1279.43] moment. And we've had some people that have applied and we actually wanted to
[1279.43-1279.44] have applied and we actually wanted to
[1279.44-1281.35] have applied and we actually wanted to call as witnesses, but they're not
[1281.35-1281.36] call as witnesses, but they're not
[1281.36-1283.43] call as witnesses, but they're not willing to testify because they're
[1283.43-1283.44] willing to testify because they're
[1283.44-1285.35] willing to testify because they're afraid that they'll be alienated by
[1285.35-1285.36] afraid that they'll be alienated by
[1285.36-1287.75] afraid that they'll be alienated by family members. Some have communicated
[1287.75-1287.76] family members. Some have communicated
[1287.76-1289.03] family members. Some have communicated they're afraid that they'll lose
[1289.03-1289.04] they're afraid that they'll lose
[1289.04-1291.35] they're afraid that they'll lose benefits. So, there's a real fear out
[1291.35-1291.36] benefits. So, there's a real fear out
[1291.36-1293.27] benefits. So, there's a real fear out there. But I want to share with you
[1293.27-1293.28] there. But I want to share with you
[1293.28-1295.51] there. But I want to share with you something special that has been
[1295.51-1295.52] something special that has been
[1295.52-1297.03] something special that has been happening.
[1297.03-1297.04] happening.
[1297.04-1299.59] happening. We don't have the funds to pay for these
[1299.59-1299.60] We don't have the funds to pay for these
[1299.60-1302.31] We don't have the funds to pay for these witnesses to attend. So, we're having to
[1302.31-1302.32] witnesses to attend. So, we're having to
[1302.32-1304.07] witnesses to attend. So, we're having to ask them
[1304.07-1304.08] ask them
[1304.08-1306.79] ask them can you make your way to Ottawa?
[1306.79-1306.80] can you make your way to Ottawa?
[1306.80-1308.71] can you make your way to Ottawa? And we're actually surprised because,
[1308.71-1308.72] And we're actually surprised because,
[1308.72-1310.47] And we're actually surprised because, you know, we're interviewing these
[1310.47-1310.48] you know, we're interviewing these
[1310.48-1312.39] you know, we're interviewing these people. We're seeing their their written
[1312.39-1312.40] people. We're seeing their their written
[1312.40-1313.99] people. We're seeing their their written stories. Most of them have been
[1313.99-1314.00] stories. Most of them have been
[1314.00-1316.31] stories. Most of them have been absolutely devastated because they're
[1316.31-1316.32] absolutely devastated because they're
[1316.32-1317.99] absolutely devastated because they're disabled. They can't work. Their
[1317.99-1318.00] disabled. They can't work. Their
[1318.00-1321.83] disabled. They can't work. Their finances are in absolute ruins, but
[1321.83-1321.84] finances are in absolute ruins, but
[1321.84-1324.07] finances are in absolute ruins, but they're finding a way. And there's one
[1324.07-1324.08] they're finding a way. And there's one
[1324.08-1326.95] they're finding a way. And there's one of them named Michael who lives in a a
[1326.95-1326.96] of them named Michael who lives in a a
[1326.96-1328.63] of them named Michael who lives in a a care facility because he's in a
[1328.63-1328.64] care facility because he's in a
[1328.64-1330.71] care facility because he's in a wheelchair. He's largely paralyzed, has
[1330.71-1330.72] wheelchair. He's largely paralyzed, has
[1330.72-1334.07] wheelchair. He's largely paralyzed, has some some ability to uh limited mobility
[1334.07-1334.08] some some ability to uh limited mobility
[1334.08-1336.95] some some ability to uh limited mobility in in his arm so he can use a wheelchair
[1336.95-1336.96] in in his arm so he can use a wheelchair
[1336.96-1338.63] in in his arm so he can use a wheelchair joystick
[1338.63-1338.64] joystick
[1338.64-1341.43] joystick and he actually crowdsourced and he's
[1341.43-1341.44] and he actually crowdsourced and he's
[1341.44-1343.19] and he actually crowdsourced and he's getting a friend to fly out from
[1343.19-1343.20] getting a friend to fly out from
[1343.20-1345.11] getting a friend to fly out from Victoria. He lives in Ontario and he's
[1345.11-1345.12] Victoria. He lives in Ontario and he's
[1345.12-1348.47] Victoria. He lives in Ontario and he's chartered a bus that is wheelchair
[1348.47-1348.48] chartered a bus that is wheelchair
[1348.48-1352.15] chartered a bus that is wheelchair friendly and he sent us an email saying,
[1352.15-1352.16] friendly and he sent us an email saying,
[1352.16-1355.11] friendly and he sent us an email saying, you know, if anyone else in a wheelchair
[1355.11-1355.12] you know, if anyone else in a wheelchair
[1355.12-1358.15] you know, if anyone else in a wheelchair needs a ride, like we'll give them a
[1358.15-1358.16] needs a ride, like we'll give them a
[1358.16-1361.59] needs a ride, like we'll give them a ride. There was another witness that um
[1361.59-1361.60] ride. There was another witness that um
[1361.60-1364.07] ride. There was another witness that um actually is is not is kind of taking up
[1364.07-1364.08] actually is is not is kind of taking up
[1364.08-1365.51] actually is is not is kind of taking up that offer. We weren't sure if this
[1365.51-1365.52] that offer. We weren't sure if this
[1365.52-1367.67] that offer. We weren't sure if this witness would be able to attend. The
[1367.67-1367.68] witness would be able to attend. The
[1367.68-1369.99] witness would be able to attend. The witness said, "You know, I'm able to
[1369.99-1370.00] witness said, "You know, I'm able to
[1370.00-1372.15] witness said, "You know, I'm able to take a train, you know, with my support
[1372.15-1372.16] take a train, you know, with my support
[1372.16-1375.11] take a train, you know, with my support person to Ottawa,
[1375.11-1375.12] person to Ottawa,
[1375.12-1377.75] person to Ottawa, but I can't find transportation from the
[1377.75-1377.76] but I can't find transportation from the
[1377.76-1380.15] but I can't find transportation from the train station cuz I I not only need a
[1380.15-1380.16] train station cuz I I not only need a
[1380.16-1382.39] train station cuz I I not only need a wheelchair accessible vehicle, but one
[1382.39-1382.40] wheelchair accessible vehicle, but one
[1382.40-1385.75] wheelchair accessible vehicle, but one that can take a tall IV pole also." Um,
[1385.75-1385.76] that can take a tall IV pole also." Um,
[1385.76-1387.43] that can take a tall IV pole also." Um, it actually took that person a couple of
[1387.43-1387.44] it actually took that person a couple of
[1387.44-1389.59] it actually took that person a couple of weeks. And then Michael is going to be
[1389.59-1389.60] weeks. And then Michael is going to be
[1389.60-1392.79] weeks. And then Michael is going to be picking that person up in his bus um
[1392.79-1392.80] picking that person up in his bus um
[1392.80-1396.63] picking that person up in his bus um from the the hotel to the inquiry. and
[1396.63-1396.64] from the the hotel to the inquiry. and
[1396.64-1398.71] from the the hotel to the inquiry. and we're we're getting quite touched. You
[1398.71-1398.72] we're we're getting quite touched. You
[1398.72-1401.27] we're we're getting quite touched. You know, another witness said, "Well,
[1401.27-1401.28] know, another witness said, "Well,
[1401.28-1403.35] know, another witness said, "Well, you've got to be flexible on which day I
[1403.35-1403.36] you've got to be flexible on which day I
[1403.36-1405.11] you've got to be flexible on which day I testify because I have to schedule
[1405.11-1405.12] testify because I have to schedule
[1405.12-1407.75] testify because I have to schedule dialysis in Ottawa and so you have to
[1407.75-1407.76] dialysis in Ottawa and so you have to
[1407.76-1409.75] dialysis in Ottawa and so you have to work around my dialysis because this
[1409.75-1409.76] work around my dialysis because this
[1409.76-1412.47] work around my dialysis because this person has lost a kidney and is waiting
[1412.47-1412.48] person has lost a kidney and is waiting
[1412.48-1415.03] person has lost a kidney and is waiting for a kidney transplant."
[1415.03-1415.04] for a kidney transplant."
[1415.04-1418.63] for a kidney transplant." We've been absolutely um touched by how
[1418.63-1418.64] We've been absolutely um touched by how
[1418.64-1420.23] We've been absolutely um touched by how much these people want to help each
[1420.23-1420.24] much these people want to help each
[1420.24-1423.51] much these people want to help each other, by how determined
[1423.51-1423.52] other, by how determined
[1423.52-1426.95] other, by how determined they are to show up. And this
[1426.95-1426.96] they are to show up. And this
[1426.96-1430.55] they are to show up. And this determination is because they have not
[1430.55-1430.56] determination is because they have not
[1430.56-1433.03] determination is because they have not been heard. When I'm interviewing these
[1433.03-1433.04] been heard. When I'm interviewing these
[1433.04-1435.51] been heard. When I'm interviewing these people, I I ask them, every single one
[1435.51-1435.52] people, I I ask them, every single one
[1435.52-1437.11] people, I I ask them, every single one of them, a question that they don't
[1437.11-1437.12] of them, a question that they don't
[1437.12-1440.55] of them, a question that they don't expect. I ask, "What is the most
[1440.55-1440.56] expect. I ask, "What is the most
[1440.56-1442.63] expect. I ask, "What is the most difficult part of this experience that
[1442.63-1442.64] difficult part of this experience that
[1442.64-1445.27] difficult part of this experience that you've had?" And I'm actually expecting
[1445.27-1445.28] you've had?" And I'm actually expecting
[1445.28-1447.11] you've had?" And I'm actually expecting them to say, well, it's becoming a
[1447.11-1447.12] them to say, well, it's becoming a
[1447.12-1449.11] them to say, well, it's becoming a becoming a quadripollegic. It's the
[1449.11-1449.12] becoming a quadripollegic. It's the
[1449.12-1451.51] becoming a quadripollegic. It's the chronic pain. It's the fact that I'm on
[1451.51-1451.52] chronic pain. It's the fact that I'm on
[1451.52-1453.91] chronic pain. It's the fact that I'm on dialysis six days a week and I'm, you
[1453.91-1453.92] dialysis six days a week and I'm, you
[1453.92-1456.87] dialysis six days a week and I'm, you know, 33. Even if I get a transplant,
[1456.87-1456.88] know, 33. Even if I get a transplant,
[1456.88-1458.47] know, 33. Even if I get a transplant, that's only going to last 10 years. I
[1458.47-1458.48] that's only going to last 10 years. I
[1458.48-1460.95] that's only going to last 10 years. I know I'm facing dialysis again. I'm
[1460.95-1460.96] know I'm facing dialysis again. I'm
[1460.96-1463.35] know I'm facing dialysis again. I'm expecting that or the economic turmoil
[1463.35-1463.36] expecting that or the economic turmoil
[1463.36-1465.83] expecting that or the economic turmoil or the family turmoil.
[1465.83-1465.84] or the family turmoil.
[1465.84-1467.11] or the family turmoil. But [clears throat] most of them don't
[1467.11-1467.12] But [clears throat] most of them don't
[1467.12-1469.91] But [clears throat] most of them don't don't talk about that when I ask them
[1469.91-1469.92] don't talk about that when I ask them
[1469.92-1475.99] don't talk about that when I ask them what the most
[1478.79-1478.80] difficult part is most of them say the
[1478.80-1481.11] difficult part is most of them say the most difficult part has been dealing
[1481.11-1481.12] most difficult part has been dealing
[1481.12-1483.83] most difficult part has been dealing with the medical system.
[1483.83-1483.84] with the medical system.
[1483.84-1486.31] with the medical system. Uh they almost all of them use the term
[1486.31-1486.32] Uh they almost all of them use the term
[1486.32-1488.87] Uh they almost all of them use the term gas lit. Basically, what they have is is
[1488.87-1488.88] gas lit. Basically, what they have is is
[1488.88-1492.87] gas lit. Basically, what they have is is they're they're having these these
[1492.87-1492.88] they're they're having these these
[1492.88-1495.35] they're they're having these these symptoms that is causing enormous
[1495.35-1495.36] symptoms that is causing enormous
[1495.36-1499.11] symptoms that is causing enormous suffering, disability, loss of function,
[1499.11-1499.12] suffering, disability, loss of function,
[1499.12-1500.71] suffering, disability, loss of function, and they're basically being told that
[1500.71-1500.72] and they're basically being told that
[1500.72-1503.35] and they're basically being told that it's in their head or, you know, it's
[1503.35-1503.36] it's in their head or, you know, it's
[1503.36-1505.67] it's in their head or, you know, it's something else that it's not. Um, and
[1505.67-1505.68] something else that it's not. Um, and
[1505.68-1507.35] something else that it's not. Um, and they're actually being treated like
[1507.35-1507.36] they're actually being treated like
[1507.36-1509.99] they're actually being treated like modern-day lepers. Um, some of them,
[1509.99-1510.00] modern-day lepers. Um, some of them,
[1510.00-1511.59] modern-day lepers. Um, some of them, like the doctors right out of the gate,
[1511.59-1511.60] like the doctors right out of the gate,
[1511.60-1513.59] like the doctors right out of the gate, this is vaccine injury. Everyone agrees
[1513.59-1513.60] this is vaccine injury. Everyone agrees
[1513.60-1515.67] this is vaccine injury. Everyone agrees it's vaccine injury, but they can't get
[1515.67-1515.68] it's vaccine injury, but they can't get
[1515.68-1518.87] it's vaccine injury, but they can't get specialists to help them because the
[1518.87-1518.88] specialists to help them because the
[1518.88-1521.43] specialists to help them because the doctor will refer to the specialist and
[1521.43-1521.44] doctor will refer to the specialist and
[1521.44-1523.59] doctor will refer to the specialist and because the diagnosis is vaccine injury,
[1523.59-1523.60] because the diagnosis is vaccine injury,
[1523.60-1525.83] because the diagnosis is vaccine injury, it's almost like there's a fear. It's
[1525.83-1525.84] it's almost like there's a fear. It's
[1525.84-1527.43] it's almost like there's a fear. It's almost like they're they're untouchable.
[1527.43-1527.44] almost like they're they're untouchable.
[1527.44-1529.35] almost like they're they're untouchable. There's this unspeakable thing. We
[1529.35-1529.36] There's this unspeakable thing. We
[1529.36-1531.35] There's this unspeakable thing. We cannot
[1531.35-1531.36] cannot
[1531.36-1535.03] cannot we cannot say vaccine injury. We cannot
[1535.03-1535.04] we cannot say vaccine injury. We cannot
[1535.04-1537.51] we cannot say vaccine injury. We cannot treat vaccine injury. they're they're
[1537.51-1537.52] treat vaccine injury. they're they're
[1537.52-1539.27] treat vaccine injury. they're they're this has become the most difficult
[1539.27-1539.28] this has become the most difficult
[1539.28-1540.95] this has become the most difficult experience
[1540.95-1540.96] experience
[1540.96-1543.03] experience in their lives is dealing with the
[1543.03-1543.04] in their lives is dealing with the
[1543.04-1545.19] in their lives is dealing with the medical system and then also dealing
[1545.19-1545.20] medical system and then also dealing
[1545.20-1548.31] medical system and then also dealing with the vaccine entry support program.
[1548.31-1548.32] with the vaccine entry support program.
[1548.32-1551.27] with the vaccine entry support program. And let me just share with you kind of
[1551.27-1551.28] And let me just share with you kind of
[1551.28-1553.35] And let me just share with you kind of some of the unfairness of this program
[1553.35-1553.36] some of the unfairness of this program
[1553.36-1556.31] some of the unfairness of this program which was actually we've learned by all
[1556.31-1556.32] which was actually we've learned by all
[1556.32-1558.31] which was actually we've learned by all of these thousands of stories coming to
[1558.31-1558.32] of these thousands of stories coming to
[1558.32-1561.11] of these thousands of stories coming to us because we ask in our questionnaire
[1561.11-1561.12] us because we ask in our questionnaire
[1561.12-1562.95] us because we ask in our questionnaire detailed questions about the vaccine
[1562.95-1562.96] detailed questions about the vaccine
[1562.96-1564.79] detailed questions about the vaccine entry program and we interview these
[1564.79-1564.80] entry program and we interview these
[1564.80-1567.59] entry program and we interview these people. And so basically you start with
[1567.59-1567.60] people. And so basically you start with
[1567.60-1570.07] people. And so basically you start with a two-part process which is just a form
[1570.07-1570.08] a two-part process which is just a form
[1570.08-1573.51] a two-part process which is just a form with two parts. So you fill in this form
[1573.51-1573.52] with two parts. So you fill in this form
[1573.52-1575.83] with two parts. So you fill in this form where you basically tell your story and
[1575.83-1575.84] where you basically tell your story and
[1575.84-1577.75] where you basically tell your story and you really only tell it in a couple of
[1577.75-1577.76] you really only tell it in a couple of
[1577.76-1580.23] you really only tell it in a couple of paragraphs. Now you don't know what the
[1580.23-1580.24] paragraphs. Now you don't know what the
[1580.24-1582.55] paragraphs. Now you don't know what the criteria is because the vaccine injury
[1582.55-1582.56] criteria is because the vaccine injury
[1582.56-1583.99] criteria is because the vaccine injury program doesn't say here are the
[1583.99-1584.00] program doesn't say here are the
[1584.00-1585.83] program doesn't say here are the criteria for us to determine what a
[1585.83-1585.84] criteria for us to determine what a
[1585.84-1587.99] criteria for us to determine what a vaccine injury is and then you get your
[1587.99-1588.00] vaccine injury is and then you get your
[1588.00-1590.39] vaccine injury is and then you get your doctor or a doctor if a doctor's willing
[1590.39-1590.40] doctor or a doctor if a doctor's willing
[1590.40-1592.79] doctor or a doctor if a doctor's willing to fill in form two. Many of them have
[1592.79-1592.80] to fill in form two. Many of them have
[1592.80-1594.31] to fill in form two. Many of them have not been able to apply because they
[1594.31-1594.32] not been able to apply because they
[1594.32-1596.87] not been able to apply because they can't get a doctor willing to sign the
[1596.87-1596.88] can't get a doctor willing to sign the
[1596.88-1599.43] can't get a doctor willing to sign the form because of this unwillingness
[1599.43-1599.44] form because of this unwillingness
[1599.44-1601.75] form because of this unwillingness to participate in anything connected to
[1601.75-1601.76] to participate in anything connected to
[1601.76-1604.23] to participate in anything connected to vaccine injury. Well, then they get your
[1604.23-1604.24] vaccine injury. Well, then they get your
[1604.24-1606.87] vaccine injury. Well, then they get your medical records and internally they they
[1606.87-1606.88] medical records and internally they they
[1606.88-1610.15] medical records and internally they they put together your file.
[1610.15-1610.16] put together your file.
[1610.16-1612.79] put together your file. It's analyzed or a report is done that
[1612.79-1612.80] It's analyzed or a report is done that
[1612.80-1617.11] It's analyzed or a report is done that you never see and then a panel of three
[1617.11-1617.12] you never see and then a panel of three
[1617.12-1618.63] you never see and then a panel of three meet and decide things. You've never
[1618.63-1618.64] meet and decide things. You've never
[1618.64-1621.11] meet and decide things. You've never been interviewed. So can you imagine um
[1621.11-1621.12] been interviewed. So can you imagine um
[1621.12-1623.67] been interviewed. So can you imagine um you know one lady I was speaking to I
[1623.67-1623.68] you know one lady I was speaking to I
[1623.68-1626.31] you know one lady I was speaking to I think English is her second language
[1626.31-1626.32] think English is her second language
[1626.32-1629.83] think English is her second language she's largely you largely quadriplegic
[1629.83-1629.84] she's largely you largely quadriplegic
[1629.84-1633.03] she's largely you largely quadriplegic has some motion in her arms chronic pain
[1633.03-1633.04] has some motion in her arms chronic pain
[1633.04-1635.43] has some motion in her arms chronic pain I'm looking at her form she it's like
[1635.43-1635.44] I'm looking at her form she it's like
[1635.44-1638.63] I'm looking at her form she it's like two paragraphs this her life depends on
[1638.63-1638.64] two paragraphs this her life depends on
[1638.64-1641.19] two paragraphs this her life depends on this she's hoping to get compensation
[1641.19-1641.20] this she's hoping to get compensation
[1641.20-1643.59] this she's hoping to get compensation for pain and suffering she's hoping to
[1643.59-1643.60] for pain and suffering she's hoping to
[1643.60-1646.07] for pain and suffering she's hoping to get cost of living expenses she's hoping
[1646.07-1646.08] get cost of living expenses she's hoping
[1646.08-1648.87] get cost of living expenses she's hoping to get cost of care expenses these are
[1648.87-1648.88] to get cost of care expenses these are
[1648.88-1650.79] to get cost of care expenses these are people that are in absolute financial
[1650.79-1650.80] people that are in absolute financial
[1650.80-1653.11] people that are in absolute financial crisis. They're depending on this
[1653.11-1653.12] crisis. They're depending on this
[1653.12-1656.15] crisis. They're depending on this program, they're never interviewed. So,
[1656.15-1656.16] program, they're never interviewed. So,
[1656.16-1657.67] program, they're never interviewed. So, if you don't tell your story right,
[1657.67-1657.68] if you don't tell your story right,
[1657.68-1659.27] if you don't tell your story right, you're not a doctor, you don't know what
[1659.27-1659.28] you're not a doctor, you don't know what
[1659.28-1661.75] you're not a doctor, you don't know what the criteria is, you don't know what's
[1661.75-1661.76] the criteria is, you don't know what's
[1661.76-1663.91] the criteria is, you don't know what's important to them, and they never get
[1663.91-1663.92] important to them, and they never get
[1663.92-1665.11] important to them, and they never get back to you and say, "Well, what about
[1665.11-1665.12] back to you and say, "Well, what about
[1665.12-1667.11] back to you and say, "Well, what about this? What about this? What about this?"
[1667.11-1667.12] this? What about this? What about this?"
[1667.12-1669.35] this? What about this? What about this?" And then a decision is made by three
[1669.35-1669.36] And then a decision is made by three
[1669.36-1671.59] And then a decision is made by three unnamed people. You're told who, you
[1671.59-1671.60] unnamed people. You're told who, you
[1671.60-1673.75] unnamed people. You're told who, you know, oh, it's a family doctor and a
[1673.75-1673.76] know, oh, it's a family doctor and a
[1673.76-1676.47] know, oh, it's a family doctor and a neurologist and a physiootherapist, but
[1676.47-1676.48] neurologist and a physiootherapist, but
[1676.48-1678.47] neurologist and a physiootherapist, but you don't know who they are. you don't
[1678.47-1678.48] you don't know who they are. you don't
[1678.48-1680.63] you don't know who they are. you don't know if there's any bias. You don't know
[1680.63-1680.64] know if there's any bias. You don't know
[1680.64-1682.71] know if there's any bias. You don't know if they're actually qualified to analyze
[1682.71-1682.72] if they're actually qualified to analyze
[1682.72-1684.95] if they're actually qualified to analyze your file and you get, you know, maybe a
[1684.95-1684.96] your file and you get, you know, maybe a
[1684.96-1687.11] your file and you get, you know, maybe a page and a half of reasons. So, it's a
[1687.11-1687.12] page and a half of reasons. So, it's a
[1687.12-1689.43] page and a half of reasons. So, it's a really frustrating process. And these
[1689.43-1689.44] really frustrating process. And these
[1689.44-1692.31] really frustrating process. And these people that are already traumatized by
[1692.31-1692.32] people that are already traumatized by
[1692.32-1694.39] people that are already traumatized by the medical system report that they're
[1694.39-1694.40] the medical system report that they're
[1694.40-1697.43] the medical system report that they're being traumatized again. So, this
[1697.43-1697.44] being traumatized again. So, this
[1697.44-1700.23] being traumatized again. So, this Allison inquiry where the whole purpose
[1700.23-1700.24] Allison inquiry where the whole purpose
[1700.24-1701.99] Allison inquiry where the whole purpose of this is just to listen to their
[1701.99-1702.00] of this is just to listen to their
[1702.00-1703.91] of this is just to listen to their stories. We've come to understand this
[1703.91-1703.92] stories. We've come to understand this
[1703.92-1705.67] stories. We've come to understand this is so much more important than we
[1705.67-1705.68] is so much more important than we
[1705.68-1707.11] is so much more important than we initially felt. We knew that these
[1707.11-1707.12] initially felt. We knew that these
[1707.12-1709.51] initially felt. We knew that these people weren't being heard. We knew that
[1709.51-1709.52] people weren't being heard. We knew that
[1709.52-1711.19] people weren't being heard. We knew that we start we have to have a a
[1711.19-1711.20] we start we have to have a a
[1711.20-1712.87] we start we have to have a a conversation about this. That's what
[1712.87-1712.88] conversation about this. That's what
[1712.88-1714.23] conversation about this. That's what we're hoping will happen with the
[1714.23-1714.24] we're hoping will happen with the
[1714.24-1716.39] we're hoping will happen with the Allison inquiry, but we didn't
[1716.39-1716.40] Allison inquiry, but we didn't
[1716.40-1719.51] Allison inquiry, but we didn't understand how deeply it's needed by
[1719.51-1719.52] understand how deeply it's needed by
[1719.52-1721.43] understand how deeply it's needed by these vaccine injured persons who are
[1721.43-1721.44] these vaccine injured persons who are
[1721.44-1724.63] these vaccine injured persons who are literally desperate and you know crowd
[1724.63-1724.64] literally desperate and you know crowd
[1724.64-1727.51] literally desperate and you know crowd fundraising to get wheelchair accessible
[1727.51-1727.52] fundraising to get wheelchair accessible
[1727.52-1731.11] fundraising to get wheelchair accessible buses to get here. So, we feel we're all
[1731.11-1731.12] buses to get here. So, we feel we're all
[1731.12-1734.71] buses to get here. So, we feel we're all volunteers. We also are very honored to
[1734.71-1734.72] volunteers. We also are very honored to
[1734.72-1736.79] volunteers. We also are very honored to be able to assist these people and we
[1736.79-1736.80] be able to assist these people and we
[1736.80-1739.11] be able to assist these people and we truly are inviting you to participate by
[1739.11-1739.12] truly are inviting you to participate by
[1739.12-1740.71] truly are inviting you to participate by watching.
[1740.71-1740.72] watching.
[1740.72-1742.23] watching. You know, these people are desperate to
[1742.23-1742.24] You know, these people are desperate to
[1742.24-1744.47] You know, these people are desperate to share their stories with you and we
[1744.47-1744.48] share their stories with you and we
[1744.48-1746.79] share their stories with you and we invite you to participate. We guarantee
[1746.79-1746.80] invite you to participate. We guarantee
[1746.80-1748.47] invite you to participate. We guarantee it will change your lives as it's
[1748.47-1748.48] it will change your lives as it's
[1748.48-1749.91] it will change your lives as it's changing ours listening to their
[1749.91-1749.92] changing ours listening to their
[1749.92-1756.31] changing ours listening to their stories.
[1759.59-1759.60] >> Hi, I'm the Allison Rachel, CTV News. Uh
[1759.60-1762.23] >> Hi, I'm the Allison Rachel, CTV News. Uh so I've read through the details and the
[1762.23-1762.24] so I've read through the details and the
[1762.24-1764.31] so I've read through the details and the parameters of this inquiry and my
[1764.31-1764.32] parameters of this inquiry and my
[1764.32-1766.87] parameters of this inquiry and my understanding is uh there's really no
[1766.87-1766.88] understanding is uh there's really no
[1766.88-1768.87] understanding is uh there's really no teeth to it. At most you can maybe
[1768.87-1768.88] teeth to it. At most you can maybe
[1768.88-1771.43] teeth to it. At most you can maybe suggest questions to parliament. I'm
[1771.43-1771.44] suggest questions to parliament. I'm
[1771.44-1773.91] suggest questions to parliament. I'm wondering are you not then just asking
[1773.91-1773.92] wondering are you not then just asking
[1773.92-1776.39] wondering are you not then just asking these injured Canadians to retraumatize
[1776.39-1776.40] these injured Canadians to retraumatize
[1776.40-1778.79] these injured Canadians to retraumatize themselves without any real result or
[1778.79-1778.80] themselves without any real result or
[1778.80-1780.15] themselves without any real result or accountability? Like what are you
[1780.15-1780.16] accountability? Like what are you
[1780.16-1781.75] accountability? Like what are you intending to get out of this initiative?
[1781.75-1781.76] intending to get out of this initiative?
[1781.76-1783.91] intending to get out of this initiative? >> Sure. First, thanks for coming. We
[1783.91-1783.92] >> Sure. First, thanks for coming. We
[1783.92-1786.23] >> Sure. First, thanks for coming. We appreciate uh having CTV in the room.
[1786.23-1786.24] appreciate uh having CTV in the room.
[1786.24-1787.67] appreciate uh having CTV in the room. Um, you know, I I think one of the
[1787.67-1787.68] Um, you know, I I think one of the
[1787.68-1788.95] Um, you know, I I think one of the biggest challenges right now is that
[1788.95-1788.96] biggest challenges right now is that
[1788.96-1790.31] biggest challenges right now is that people have not felt they have
[1790.31-1790.32] people have not felt they have
[1790.32-1792.15] people have not felt they have permission to actually talk about this.
[1792.15-1792.16] permission to actually talk about this.
[1792.16-1793.51] permission to actually talk about this. So, how do you move forward if no one
[1793.51-1793.52] So, how do you move forward if no one
[1793.52-1795.11] So, how do you move forward if no one could talk about it? You know, uh, you
[1795.11-1795.12] could talk about it? You know, uh, you
[1795.12-1796.71] could talk about it? You know, uh, you know, Dr. Huff talked a bit about how
[1796.71-1796.72] know, Dr. Huff talked a bit about how
[1796.72-1798.95] know, Dr. Huff talked a bit about how people show up and, uh, doctors are
[1798.95-1798.96] people show up and, uh, doctors are
[1798.96-1801.19] people show up and, uh, doctors are afraid to actually, you know, diagnose
[1801.19-1801.20] afraid to actually, you know, diagnose
[1801.20-1803.27] afraid to actually, you know, diagnose or find help. So, we've realized by
[1803.27-1803.28] or find help. So, we've realized by
[1803.28-1804.79] or find help. So, we've realized by raising awareness, we're hoping to put
[1804.79-1804.80] raising awareness, we're hoping to put
[1804.80-1806.47] raising awareness, we're hoping to put pressure on the government through the
[1806.47-1806.48] pressure on the government through the
[1806.48-1807.75] pressure on the government through the fact that they realize they're already
[1807.75-1807.76] fact that they realize they're already
[1807.76-1809.83] fact that they realize they're already relooking at the the VIS program.
[1809.83-1809.84] relooking at the the VIS program.
[1809.84-1811.27] relooking at the the VIS program. Something else is going to come out. We
[1811.27-1811.28] Something else is going to come out. We
[1811.28-1812.95] Something else is going to come out. We we also understood that there was like
[1812.95-1812.96] we also understood that there was like
[1812.96-1815.19] we also understood that there was like twothirds of that money in the original
[1815.19-1815.20] twothirds of that money in the original
[1815.20-1817.03] twothirds of that money in the original program went to overhead. So we hope
[1817.03-1817.04] program went to overhead. So we hope
[1817.04-1818.87] program went to overhead. So we hope they'll listen to what the stories and
[1818.87-1818.88] they'll listen to what the stories and
[1818.88-1821.27] they'll listen to what the stories and the frustrations and concerns are. So at
[1821.27-1821.28] the frustrations and concerns are. So at
[1821.28-1822.63] the frustrations and concerns are. So at the end of the day, they'll get a chance
[1822.63-1822.64] the end of the day, they'll get a chance
[1822.64-1825.43] the end of the day, they'll get a chance to uh have a better program and once
[1825.43-1825.44] to uh have a better program and once
[1825.44-1826.79] to uh have a better program and once again I think you know for a lot of
[1826.79-1826.80] again I think you know for a lot of
[1826.80-1829.03] again I think you know for a lot of these individuals as Sean has mentioned
[1829.03-1829.04] these individuals as Sean has mentioned
[1829.04-1830.95] these individuals as Sean has mentioned there's a lot of trauma and so at the
[1830.95-1830.96] there's a lot of trauma and so at the
[1830.96-1832.79] there's a lot of trauma and so at the end of the day we want the healing to
[1832.79-1832.80] end of the day we want the healing to
[1832.80-1834.79] end of the day we want the healing to start by people just feeling like
[1834.79-1834.80] start by people just feeling like
[1834.80-1836.63] start by people just feeling like they're they're being hurt and as I said
[1836.63-1836.64] they're they're being hurt and as I said
[1836.64-1838.07] they're they're being hurt and as I said it's a very narrow focus as you
[1838.07-1838.08] it's a very narrow focus as you
[1838.08-1840.15] it's a very narrow focus as you mentioned because I don't have the
[1840.15-1840.16] mentioned because I don't have the
[1840.16-1842.39] mentioned because I don't have the resources of government by but but by
[1842.39-1842.40] resources of government by but but by
[1842.40-1844.23] resources of government by but but by all means I think it's a great start and
[1844.23-1844.24] all means I think it's a great start and
[1844.24-1846.23] all means I think it's a great start and we really hope that this will start the
[1846.23-1846.24] we really hope that this will start the
[1846.24-1848.07] we really hope that this will start the pro healing process and the government
[1848.07-1848.08] pro healing process and the government
[1848.08-1849.67] pro healing process and the government will take notice and they'll they'll do
[1849.67-1849.68] will take notice and they'll they'll do
[1849.68-1851.59] will take notice and they'll they'll do a better job uh with the next iteration
[1851.59-1851.60] a better job uh with the next iteration
[1851.60-1852.71] a better job uh with the next iteration of the program.
[1852.71-1852.72] of the program.
[1852.72-1854.87] of the program. >> And so then I would like to like you to
[1854.87-1854.88] >> And so then I would like to like you to
[1854.88-1857.43] >> And so then I would like to like you to respond to the criticism that we've seen
[1857.43-1857.44] respond to the criticism that we've seen
[1857.44-1859.67] respond to the criticism that we've seen uh that this is uh an initiative that
[1859.67-1859.68] uh that this is uh an initiative that
[1859.68-1861.27] uh that this is uh an initiative that you were leading for political
[1861.27-1861.28] you were leading for political
[1861.28-1862.87] you were leading for political motivations
[1862.87-1862.88] motivations
[1862.88-1865.83] motivations uh drumming up antivaccine sentiment uh
[1865.83-1865.84] uh drumming up antivaccine sentiment uh
[1865.84-1868.15] uh drumming up antivaccine sentiment uh instead of actually trying to uh
[1868.15-1868.16] instead of actually trying to uh
[1868.16-1870.07] instead of actually trying to uh meaningfully have these people's voices
[1870.07-1870.08] meaningfully have these people's voices
[1870.08-1871.43] meaningfully have these people's voices heard and make change. What would you
[1871.43-1871.44] heard and make change. What would you
[1871.44-1871.99] heard and make change. What would you say to that?
[1871.99-1872.00] say to that?
[1872.00-1874.39] say to that? >> Sure. I'd say uh you know my job as a
[1874.39-1874.40] >> Sure. I'd say uh you know my job as a
[1874.40-1875.59] >> Sure. I'd say uh you know my job as a member of parliament was to listen to
[1875.59-1875.60] member of parliament was to listen to
[1875.60-1877.99] member of parliament was to listen to people and help them access programs. So
[1877.99-1878.00] people and help them access programs. So
[1878.00-1879.27] people and help them access programs. So I do it in my office. As a matter of
[1879.27-1879.28] I do it in my office. As a matter of
[1879.28-1881.67] I do it in my office. As a matter of fact, every MP doing their job, and I
[1881.67-1881.68] fact, every MP doing their job, and I
[1881.68-1884.95] fact, every MP doing their job, and I believe every MP does their job, all 343
[1884.95-1884.96] believe every MP does their job, all 343
[1884.96-1886.55] believe every MP does their job, all 343 across this country, they do their job
[1886.55-1886.56] across this country, they do their job
[1886.56-1889.11] across this country, they do their job every day. Uh the challenge is, as I say
[1889.11-1889.12] every day. Uh the challenge is, as I say
[1889.12-1890.95] every day. Uh the challenge is, as I say once again, is that uh when you're
[1890.95-1890.96] once again, is that uh when you're
[1890.96-1893.27] once again, is that uh when you're looking at things like this, uh you you
[1893.27-1893.28] looking at things like this, uh you you
[1893.28-1895.43] looking at things like this, uh you you end up realizing that people don't feel
[1895.43-1895.44] end up realizing that people don't feel
[1895.44-1896.95] end up realizing that people don't feel comfortable having these conversations.
[1896.95-1896.96] comfortable having these conversations.
[1896.96-1898.95] comfortable having these conversations. And so, you know, I I look at that I
[1898.95-1898.96] And so, you know, I I look at that I
[1898.96-1900.47] And so, you know, I I look at that I look at this as an opportunity, as an
[1900.47-1900.48] look at this as an opportunity, as an
[1900.48-1902.95] look at this as an opportunity, as an extension of my job, and to be able to
[1902.95-1902.96] extension of my job, and to be able to
[1902.96-1904.55] extension of my job, and to be able to do this publicly because I'm already
[1904.55-1904.56] do this publicly because I'm already
[1904.56-1907.11] do this publicly because I'm already doing this privately. And as I said, you
[1907.11-1907.12] doing this privately. And as I said, you
[1907.12-1908.71] doing this privately. And as I said, you know, when you talk to some of these
[1908.71-1908.72] know, when you talk to some of these
[1908.72-1910.47] know, when you talk to some of these vaccine injured people, what you'll find
[1910.47-1910.48] vaccine injured people, what you'll find
[1910.48-1912.63] vaccine injured people, what you'll find out is that there's a huge reluctance to
[1912.63-1912.64] out is that there's a huge reluctance to
[1912.64-1914.39] out is that there's a huge reluctance to have any conversations or any meaningful
[1914.39-1914.40] have any conversations or any meaningful
[1914.40-1916.23] have any conversations or any meaningful conversation. Really, what we hope
[1916.23-1916.24] conversation. Really, what we hope
[1916.24-1917.43] conversation. Really, what we hope they'll do is they'll take they'll have
[1917.43-1917.44] they'll do is they'll take they'll have
[1917.44-1919.35] they'll do is they'll take they'll have permission. We want to give them
[1919.35-1919.36] permission. We want to give them
[1919.36-1921.51] permission. We want to give them permission to speak publicly about these
[1921.51-1921.52] permission to speak publicly about these
[1921.52-1923.59] permission to speak publicly about these things. And so I don't look at as that
[1923.59-1923.60] things. And so I don't look at as that
[1923.60-1925.67] things. And so I don't look at as that it we're not finding we don't want to
[1925.67-1925.68] it we're not finding we don't want to
[1925.68-1928.23] it we're not finding we don't want to we're not trying to find facts to beat
[1928.23-1928.24] we're not trying to find facts to beat
[1928.24-1929.27] we're not trying to find facts to beat up the government. It's open to
[1929.27-1929.28] up the government. It's open to
[1929.28-1931.59] up the government. It's open to everybody. We invite invited all parties
[1931.59-1931.60] everybody. We invite invited all parties
[1931.60-1933.43] everybody. We invite invited all parties to sit in and listen to this. And so,
[1933.43-1933.44] to sit in and listen to this. And so,
[1933.44-1935.03] to sit in and listen to this. And so, you know, my response to that is I
[1935.03-1935.04] you know, my response to that is I
[1935.04-1936.87] you know, my response to that is I believe this is an extension of my job
[1936.87-1936.88] believe this is an extension of my job
[1936.88-1939.35] believe this is an extension of my job and MPs do this in a variety of ways all
[1939.35-1939.36] and MPs do this in a variety of ways all
[1939.36-1941.43] and MPs do this in a variety of ways all the time all across the writings. We're
[1941.43-1941.44] the time all across the writings. We're
[1941.44-1943.19] the time all across the writings. We're trying to do it more publicly because
[1943.19-1943.20] trying to do it more publicly because
[1943.20-1944.79] trying to do it more publicly because the input I've received over the last
[1944.79-1944.80] the input I've received over the last
[1944.80-1946.47] the input I've received over the last three or four years from people across
[1946.47-1946.48] three or four years from people across
[1946.48-1948.95] three or four years from people across the country, voicemails, tax emails, all
[1948.95-1948.96] the country, voicemails, tax emails, all
[1948.96-1950.47] the country, voicemails, tax emails, all those things were saying like we have
[1950.47-1950.48] those things were saying like we have
[1950.48-1952.39] those things were saying like we have like no one's had a conversation. We we
[1952.39-1952.40] like no one's had a conversation. We we
[1952.40-1953.59] like no one's had a conversation. We we don't know what's going on and we we
[1953.59-1953.60] don't know what's going on and we we
[1953.60-1955.27] don't know what's going on and we we need help. So, we were trying to raise
[1955.27-1955.28] need help. So, we were trying to raise
[1955.28-1957.27] need help. So, we were trying to raise awareness and the government admits
[1957.27-1957.28] awareness and the government admits
[1957.28-1959.11] awareness and the government admits themselves at the end of the day. They
[1959.11-1959.12] themselves at the end of the day. They
[1959.12-1960.95] themselves at the end of the day. They started the program, this program
[1960.95-1960.96] started the program, this program
[1960.96-1962.39] started the program, this program because they realized people were
[1962.39-1962.40] because they realized people were
[1962.40-1963.91] because they realized people were injured, right? And government's own
[1963.91-1963.92] injured, right? And government's own
[1963.92-1966.47] injured, right? And government's own health records have some 60,000 people
[1966.47-1966.48] health records have some 60,000 people
[1966.48-1969.51] health records have some 60,000 people are injured. 11,000 serious, 3,500
[1969.51-1969.52] are injured. 11,000 serious, 3,500
[1969.52-1971.19] are injured. 11,000 serious, 3,500 applied to the program, 3,000 got
[1971.19-1971.20] applied to the program, 3,000 got
[1971.20-1974.55] applied to the program, 3,000 got accepted, only 252 received any types of
[1974.55-1974.56] accepted, only 252 received any types of
[1974.56-1978.15] accepted, only 252 received any types of compensation. That is 4%. And so as we
[1978.15-1978.16] compensation. That is 4%. And so as we
[1978.16-1979.51] compensation. That is 4%. And so as we look at these numbers and we hear the
[1979.51-1979.52] look at these numbers and we hear the
[1979.52-1981.91] look at these numbers and we hear the stories of docs sort of saying, I we
[1981.91-1981.92] stories of docs sort of saying, I we
[1981.92-1984.07] stories of docs sort of saying, I we we're reluctant to say anything. I we
[1984.07-1984.08] we're reluctant to say anything. I we
[1984.08-1985.59] we're reluctant to say anything. I we feel those numbers could be much higher.
[1985.59-1985.60] feel those numbers could be much higher.
[1985.60-1986.71] feel those numbers could be much higher. Well, let's just use the government
[1986.71-1986.72] Well, let's just use the government
[1986.72-1988.15] Well, let's just use the government numbers for now. That's what we'll use
[1988.15-1988.16] numbers for now. That's what we'll use
[1988.16-1989.91] numbers for now. That's what we'll use the healthcare numbers. We realize that
[1989.91-1989.92] the healthcare numbers. We realize that
[1989.92-1992.15] the healthcare numbers. We realize that there's a very very small fraction of
[1992.15-1992.16] there's a very very small fraction of
[1992.16-1994.95] there's a very very small fraction of that of the money that was promised or
[1994.95-1994.96] that of the money that was promised or
[1994.96-1996.87] that of the money that was promised or used to help these people is actually
[1996.87-1996.88] used to help these people is actually
[1996.88-1998.15] used to help these people is actually getting to them. And so that's really
[1998.15-1998.16] getting to them. And so that's really
[1998.16-1999.75] getting to them. And so that's really what we want to do is raise awareness
[1999.75-1999.76] what we want to do is raise awareness
[1999.76-2001.27] what we want to do is raise awareness and we you know we hope the government
[2001.27-2001.28] and we you know we hope the government
[2001.28-2003.27] and we you know we hope the government will as they look at this new program
[2003.27-2003.28] will as they look at this new program
[2003.28-2005.51] will as they look at this new program will be able to add more funds, make the
[2005.51-2005.52] will be able to add more funds, make the
[2005.52-2007.27] will be able to add more funds, make the pro process simpler. They're listening
[2007.27-2007.28] pro process simpler. They're listening
[2007.28-2010.55] pro process simpler. They're listening to what they it really is quite amazing
[2010.55-2010.56] to what they it really is quite amazing
[2010.56-2012.95] to what they it really is quite amazing the frustration level of individuals
[2012.95-2012.96] the frustration level of individuals
[2012.96-2015.03] the frustration level of individuals trying to get through the program loss
[2015.03-2015.04] trying to get through the program loss
[2015.04-2017.03] trying to get through the program loss forms. I mentioned a highlight the top
[2017.03-2017.04] forms. I mentioned a highlight the top
[2017.04-2018.31] forms. I mentioned a highlight the top top three or four of those things and
[2018.31-2018.32] top three or four of those things and
[2018.32-2020.15] top three or four of those things and and really we we just want people to be
[2020.15-2020.16] and really we we just want people to be
[2020.16-2022.39] and really we we just want people to be able to be able to uh try and get access
[2022.39-2022.40] able to be able to uh try and get access
[2022.40-2023.43] able to be able to uh try and get access to the funds.
[2023.43-2023.44] to the funds.
[2023.44-2025.43] to the funds. >> My colleagues had a quick followup.
[2025.43-2025.44] >> My colleagues had a quick followup.
[2025.44-2026.63] >> My colleagues had a quick followup. You're saying you want it to be
[2026.63-2026.64] You're saying you want it to be
[2026.64-2028.71] You're saying you want it to be nonpartisan and you've uh made the
[2028.71-2028.72] nonpartisan and you've uh made the
[2028.72-2030.15] nonpartisan and you've uh made the appeal for all members of parliament to
[2030.15-2030.16] appeal for all members of parliament to
[2030.16-2032.07] appeal for all members of parliament to come and listen. Have you heard
[2032.07-2032.08] come and listen. Have you heard
[2032.08-2033.99] come and listen. Have you heard confirmation from any member of
[2033.99-2034.00] confirmation from any member of
[2034.00-2035.99] confirmation from any member of parliament that's not a conservative?
[2035.99-2036.00] parliament that's not a conservative?
[2036.00-2037.35] parliament that's not a conservative? >> No, not at this point in time, but we're
[2037.35-2037.36] >> No, not at this point in time, but we're
[2037.36-2039.59] >> No, not at this point in time, but we're still reaching out. Uh we we'll be
[2039.59-2039.60] still reaching out. Uh we we'll be
[2039.60-2042.15] still reaching out. Uh we we'll be sending out another invite this week. Uh
[2042.15-2042.16] sending out another invite this week. Uh
[2042.16-2044.63] sending out another invite this week. Uh as we learn more as I learn more of the
[2044.63-2044.64] as we learn more as I learn more of the
[2044.64-2046.79] as we learn more as I learn more of the individuals that'll be uh coming to
[2046.79-2046.80] individuals that'll be uh coming to
[2046.80-2049.19] individuals that'll be uh coming to testify. Uh I know already there's some
[2049.19-2049.20] testify. Uh I know already there's some
[2049.20-2050.39] testify. Uh I know already there's some from Liberal audience. I'll be
[2050.39-2050.40] from Liberal audience. I'll be
[2050.40-2051.91] from Liberal audience. I'll be personally reaching out to the those
[2051.91-2051.92] personally reaching out to the those
[2051.92-2054.47] personally reaching out to the those members to say you have a constituenc.
[2054.47-2054.48] members to say you have a constituenc.
[2054.48-2055.99] members to say you have a constituenc. If you could take the time that would be
[2055.99-2056.00] If you could take the time that would be
[2056.00-2057.75] If you could take the time that would be great. So that that'll be the courtesy
[2057.75-2057.76] great. So that that'll be the courtesy
[2057.76-2059.35] great. So that that'll be the courtesy that I offer them as well.
[2059.35-2059.36] that I offer them as well.
[2059.36-2060.31] that I offer them as well. >> Thank you.
[2060.31-2060.32] >> Thank you.
[2060.32-2063.35] >> Thank you. >> May Cameron Ryan from CPAC. Um and my
[2063.35-2063.36] >> May Cameron Ryan from CPAC. Um and my
[2063.36-2064.47] >> May Cameron Ryan from CPAC. Um and my question is a little similar to my
[2064.47-2064.48] question is a little similar to my
[2064.48-2066.47] question is a little similar to my colleagues here. Um, you said in your
[2066.47-2066.48] colleagues here. Um, you said in your
[2066.48-2067.83] colleagues here. Um, you said in your opening statement, Canadians deserve
[2067.83-2067.84] opening statement, Canadians deserve
[2067.84-2069.19] opening statement, Canadians deserve answers on these questions around the
[2069.19-2069.20] answers on these questions around the
[2069.20-2071.75] answers on these questions around the vaccine and around uh the support uh
[2071.75-2071.76] vaccine and around uh the support uh
[2071.76-2073.43] vaccine and around uh the support uh program for the vaccine injured, but
[2073.43-2073.44] program for the vaccine injured, but
[2073.44-2075.19] program for the vaccine injured, but your inquiry also says it will not make
[2075.19-2075.20] your inquiry also says it will not make
[2075.20-2076.63] your inquiry also says it will not make any findings of fact or reach any
[2076.63-2076.64] any findings of fact or reach any
[2076.64-2079.03] any findings of fact or reach any conclusions. So, where are the answers
[2079.03-2079.04] conclusions. So, where are the answers
[2079.04-2080.55] conclusions. So, where are the answers going to come from that you're looking
[2080.55-2080.56] going to come from that you're looking
[2080.56-2080.95] going to come from that you're looking for?
[2080.95-2080.96] for?
[2080.96-2082.71] for? >> Yeah. No, a great question. You know,
[2082.71-2082.72] >> Yeah. No, a great question. You know,
[2082.72-2084.79] >> Yeah. No, a great question. You know, once again, uh there's been no
[2084.79-2084.80] once again, uh there's been no
[2084.80-2086.39] once again, uh there's been no conversation around this topic at all
[2086.39-2086.40] conversation around this topic at all
[2086.40-2087.67] conversation around this topic at all for the last four, you know, three or
[2087.67-2087.68] for the last four, you know, three or
[2087.68-2089.75] for the last four, you know, three or four years. What we are hoping to do as
[2089.75-2089.76] four years. What we are hoping to do as
[2089.76-2091.75] four years. What we are hoping to do as we raise this issue just just like I
[2091.75-2091.76] we raise this issue just just like I
[2091.76-2093.35] we raise this issue just just like I would raise the issue if I was doing a
[2093.35-2093.36] would raise the issue if I was doing a
[2093.36-2094.87] would raise the issue if I was doing a town hall back in my writing in Ragar
[2094.87-2094.88] town hall back in my writing in Ragar
[2094.88-2097.91] town hall back in my writing in Ragar West as people listen to this inquiry
[2097.91-2097.92] West as people listen to this inquiry
[2097.92-2099.83] West as people listen to this inquiry we're hoping the government right now is
[2099.83-2099.84] we're hoping the government right now is
[2099.84-2101.51] we're hoping the government right now is right in between programs they're
[2101.51-2101.52] right in between programs they're
[2101.52-2102.87] right in between programs they're looking at what they can do differently
[2102.87-2102.88] looking at what they can do differently
[2102.88-2105.27] looking at what they can do differently from before we hope that there'll be
[2105.27-2105.28] from before we hope that there'll be
[2105.28-2106.95] from before we hope that there'll be people listening and they'll be able to
[2106.95-2106.96] people listening and they'll be able to
[2106.96-2108.55] people listening and they'll be able to have an opportunity to do that by all
[2108.55-2108.56] have an opportunity to do that by all
[2108.56-2111.19] have an opportunity to do that by all means you know I I'm I'm always happy uh
[2111.19-2111.20] means you know I I'm I'm always happy uh
[2111.20-2113.27] means you know I I'm I'm always happy uh to make recommendations uh send
[2113.27-2113.28] to make recommendations uh send
[2113.28-2115.43] to make recommendations uh send something into committee etc etc our
[2115.43-2115.44] something into committee etc etc our
[2115.44-2117.35] something into committee etc etc our whole point of this was that we were not
[2117.35-2117.36] whole point of this was that we were not
[2117.36-2118.95] whole point of this was that we were not looking at anything other than listening
[2118.95-2118.96] looking at anything other than listening
[2118.96-2120.95] looking at anything other than listening to people, hearing their stories, and
[2120.95-2120.96] to people, hearing their stories, and
[2120.96-2122.39] to people, hearing their stories, and trying to make sure that people get
[2122.39-2122.40] trying to make sure that people get
[2122.40-2123.83] trying to make sure that people get access to these programs.
[2123.83-2123.84] access to these programs.
[2123.84-2127.19] access to these programs. >> Another question, um, will witnesses be
[2127.19-2127.20] >> Another question, um, will witnesses be
[2127.20-2129.03] >> Another question, um, will witnesses be under oath when they testify at the
[2129.03-2129.04] under oath when they testify at the
[2129.04-2130.31] under oath when they testify at the Allison inquiry?
[2130.31-2130.32] Allison inquiry?
[2130.32-2132.79] Allison inquiry? >> Yes, they will.
[2132.79-2132.80] >> Yes, they will.
[2132.80-2134.95] >> Yes, they will. >> Is there any threat uh like what what's
[2134.95-2134.96] >> Is there any threat uh like what what's
[2134.96-2136.39] >> Is there any threat uh like what what's the what's the penalty if they're found
[2136.39-2136.40] the what's the penalty if they're found
[2136.40-2138.31] the what's the penalty if they're found to be not telling the truth? Of course,
[2138.31-2138.32] to be not telling the truth? Of course,
[2138.32-2139.83] to be not telling the truth? Of course, this isn't like a a government or
[2139.83-2139.84] this isn't like a a government or
[2139.84-2141.59] this isn't like a a government or judicial inquiry. So,
[2141.59-2141.60] judicial inquiry. So,
[2141.60-2143.35] judicial inquiry. So, >> it's probably the same same penalty that
[2143.35-2143.36] >> it's probably the same same penalty that
[2143.36-2146.23] >> it's probably the same same penalty that happens in regular committees right now.
[2146.23-2146.24] happens in regular committees right now.
[2146.24-2147.67] happens in regular committees right now. There's there's no penalty. I mean,
[2147.67-2147.68] There's there's no penalty. I mean,
[2147.68-2149.43] There's there's no penalty. I mean, we're we're we're going we're talking to
[2149.43-2149.44] we're we're we're going we're talking to
[2149.44-2151.75] we're we're we're going we're talking to people. We're having doctors verify this
[2151.75-2151.76] people. We're having doctors verify this
[2151.76-2153.51] people. We're having doctors verify this information and that's we're trying to
[2153.51-2153.52] information and that's we're trying to
[2153.52-2155.19] information and that's we're trying to take all precautions to make sure that
[2155.19-2155.20] take all precautions to make sure that
[2155.20-2157.43] take all precautions to make sure that uh uh people that show up are are are
[2157.43-2157.44] uh uh people that show up are are are
[2157.44-2160.23] uh uh people that show up are are are what they say they are. So,
[2160.23-2160.24] what they say they are. So,
[2160.24-2162.95] what they say they are. So, >> uh Ryan Ty, Toronto Star. Um is this
[2162.95-2162.96] >> uh Ryan Ty, Toronto Star. Um is this
[2162.96-2166.47] >> uh Ryan Ty, Toronto Star. Um is this inquiry an inquiry into the vaccine um
[2166.47-2166.48] inquiry an inquiry into the vaccine um
[2166.48-2170.15] inquiry an inquiry into the vaccine um injury program? Is it a inquiry into the
[2170.15-2170.16] injury program? Is it a inquiry into the
[2170.16-2172.63] injury program? Is it a inquiry into the safety of the co vaccines? Is it an
[2172.63-2172.64] safety of the co vaccines? Is it an
[2172.64-2175.51] safety of the co vaccines? Is it an inquiry into the science behind CO 19?
[2175.51-2175.52] inquiry into the science behind CO 19?
[2175.52-2179.11] inquiry into the science behind CO 19? What are you trying to focus on in this
[2179.11-2179.12] What are you trying to focus on in this
[2179.12-2179.75] What are you trying to focus on in this inquiry?
[2179.75-2179.76] inquiry?
[2179.76-2181.67] inquiry? >> Yeah, Toronto Star, thank you very much
[2181.67-2181.68] >> Yeah, Toronto Star, thank you very much
[2181.68-2183.75] >> Yeah, Toronto Star, thank you very much for being here. We appreciate it. Uh,
[2183.75-2183.76] for being here. We appreciate it. Uh,
[2183.76-2185.59] for being here. We appreciate it. Uh, no, I I think a couple things we said
[2185.59-2185.60] no, I I think a couple things we said
[2185.60-2187.51] no, I I think a couple things we said before, we don't have the time, the
[2187.51-2187.52] before, we don't have the time, the
[2187.52-2188.87] before, we don't have the time, the money, the capacity to look at the
[2188.87-2188.88] money, the capacity to look at the
[2188.88-2191.51] money, the capacity to look at the scientific issue. Uh, you know, I I
[2191.51-2191.52] scientific issue. Uh, you know, I I
[2191.52-2193.75] scientific issue. Uh, you know, I I would say that the my mandate as a
[2193.75-2193.76] would say that the my mandate as a
[2193.76-2196.71] would say that the my mandate as a member of parliament is to listen to
[2196.71-2196.72] member of parliament is to listen to
[2196.72-2198.55] member of parliament is to listen to individuals and to help advocate on
[2198.55-2198.56] individuals and to help advocate on
[2198.56-2200.47] individuals and to help advocate on behalf of programs. It is nothing more
[2200.47-2200.48] behalf of programs. It is nothing more
[2200.48-2202.39] behalf of programs. It is nothing more than that. We're going to share some of
[2202.39-2202.40] than that. We're going to share some of
[2202.40-2204.23] than that. We're going to share some of the uh situations why people are
[2204.23-2204.24] the uh situations why people are
[2204.24-2206.15] the uh situations why people are reluctant to actually look at those
[2206.15-2206.16] reluctant to actually look at those
[2206.16-2207.91] reluctant to actually look at those kinds of things, but we are hoping the
[2207.91-2207.92] kinds of things, but we are hoping the
[2207.92-2210.15] kinds of things, but we are hoping the government is taking notice of what is
[2210.15-2210.16] government is taking notice of what is
[2210.16-2211.59] government is taking notice of what is going on and some of the frustrations
[2211.59-2211.60] going on and some of the frustrations
[2211.60-2213.35] going on and some of the frustrations that people have trying to navigate the
[2213.35-2213.36] that people have trying to navigate the
[2213.36-2214.55] that people have trying to navigate the systems.
[2214.55-2214.56] systems.
[2214.56-2216.63] systems. >> Sorry. So, is it about the program? Is
[2216.63-2216.64] >> Sorry. So, is it about the program? Is
[2216.64-2218.23] >> Sorry. So, is it about the program? Is it about the safety of vaccines? Is it
[2218.23-2218.24] it about the safety of vaccines? Is it
[2218.24-2219.35] it about the safety of vaccines? Is it about
[2219.35-2219.36] about
[2219.36-2221.67] about >> it's it's about it is about listening to
[2221.67-2221.68] >> it's it's about it is about listening to
[2221.68-2223.67] >> it's it's about it is about listening to Canadians and it's about people trying
[2223.67-2223.68] Canadians and it's about people trying
[2223.68-2226.23] Canadians and it's about people trying to get access to programs. And can you
[2226.23-2226.24] to get access to programs. And can you
[2226.24-2227.99] to get access to programs. And can you talk a little bit about the the you've
[2227.99-2228.00] talk a little bit about the the you've
[2228.00-2229.51] talk a little bit about the the you've called this an inquiry, but you know
[2229.51-2229.52] called this an inquiry, but you know
[2229.52-2232.39] called this an inquiry, but you know inquiries definitely have a format. They
[2232.39-2232.40] inquiries definitely have a format. They
[2232.40-2234.15] inquiries definitely have a format. They have a commissioner. They have opposing
[2234.15-2234.16] have a commissioner. They have opposing
[2234.16-2235.83] have a commissioner. They have opposing council. They have legal budgets. I know
[2235.83-2235.84] council. They have legal budgets. I know
[2235.84-2236.95] council. They have legal budgets. I know you said you don't have any of those
[2236.95-2236.96] you said you don't have any of those
[2236.96-2238.39] you said you don't have any of those things. So what is the format of this
[2238.39-2238.40] things. So what is the format of this
[2238.40-2240.71] things. So what is the format of this going to look like? Is this going to be
[2240.71-2240.72] going to look like? Is this going to be
[2240.72-2242.15] going to look like? Is this going to be just 50 people getting up and telling
[2242.15-2242.16] just 50 people getting up and telling
[2242.16-2243.35] just 50 people getting up and telling their stories?
[2243.35-2243.36] their stories?
[2243.36-2245.19] their stories? >> Yeah. So I mean at the end of the day,
[2245.19-2245.20] >> Yeah. So I mean at the end of the day,
[2245.20-2246.79] >> Yeah. So I mean at the end of the day, this is this would be very similar to
[2246.79-2246.80] this is this would be very similar to
[2246.80-2248.55] this is this would be very similar to what we we do in our writings all the
[2248.55-2248.56] what we we do in our writings all the
[2248.56-2251.03] what we we do in our writings all the time. We we we talk to people every
[2251.03-2251.04] time. We we we talk to people every
[2251.04-2253.35] time. We we we talk to people every single day about a number of a variety
[2253.35-2253.36] single day about a number of a variety
[2253.36-2255.43] single day about a number of a variety of issues. So what we will do is we'll
[2255.43-2255.44] of issues. So what we will do is we'll
[2255.44-2257.19] of issues. So what we will do is we'll be talking to individuals throughout the
[2257.19-2257.20] be talking to individuals throughout the
[2257.20-2259.43] be talking to individuals throughout the course of that and we will bring in uh
[2259.43-2259.44] course of that and we will bring in uh
[2259.44-2261.27] course of that and we will bring in uh some people from time to time to give
[2261.27-2261.28] some people from time to time to give
[2261.28-2263.11] some people from time to time to give some context to you know maybe go
[2263.11-2263.12] some context to you know maybe go
[2263.12-2264.71] some context to you know maybe go through uh government numbers and try to
[2264.71-2264.72] through uh government numbers and try to
[2264.72-2266.95] through uh government numbers and try to explain to us uh what what they mean and
[2266.95-2266.96] explain to us uh what what they mean and
[2266.96-2268.47] explain to us uh what what they mean and what what they are but no you're
[2268.47-2268.48] what what they are but no you're
[2268.48-2269.83] what what they are but no you're absolutely correct. We're not trying to
[2269.83-2269.84] absolutely correct. We're not trying to
[2269.84-2271.99] absolutely correct. We're not trying to find any kind of finding. We found that
[2271.99-2272.00] find any kind of finding. We found that
[2272.00-2273.27] find any kind of finding. We found that one of the greatest things and I know
[2273.27-2273.28] one of the greatest things and I know
[2273.28-2276.23] one of the greatest things and I know Sean alluded to this people are are are
[2276.23-2276.24] Sean alluded to this people are are are
[2276.24-2278.71] Sean alluded to this people are are are having such a hard time not being able
[2278.71-2278.72] having such a hard time not being able
[2278.72-2280.47] having such a hard time not being able to feel like they can actually have a
[2280.47-2280.48] to feel like they can actually have a
[2280.48-2282.71] to feel like they can actually have a conversation. So there's a lot of mental
[2282.71-2282.72] conversation. So there's a lot of mental
[2282.72-2284.07] conversation. So there's a lot of mental anguish around that that people feel
[2284.07-2284.08] anguish around that that people feel
[2284.08-2285.91] anguish around that that people feel like they've been gas lit and all those
[2285.91-2285.92] like they've been gas lit and all those
[2285.92-2287.59] like they've been gas lit and all those other kinds of things. I think this
[2287.59-2287.60] other kinds of things. I think this
[2287.60-2289.67] other kinds of things. I think this heart starts a healing process to say
[2289.67-2289.68] heart starts a healing process to say
[2289.68-2291.75] heart starts a healing process to say listen we we are listening. We encourage
[2291.75-2291.76] listen we we are listening. We encourage
[2291.76-2293.83] listen we we are listening. We encourage MPs to to come and hear their stories
[2293.83-2293.84] MPs to to come and hear their stories
[2293.84-2295.35] MPs to to come and hear their stories and maybe that can begin the healing
[2295.35-2295.36] and maybe that can begin the healing
[2295.36-2297.19] and maybe that can begin the healing process for some of these individuals.
[2297.19-2297.20] process for some of these individuals.
[2297.20-2300.47] process for some of these individuals. >> And if my colleague will indulge me um
[2300.47-2300.48] >> And if my colleague will indulge me um
[2300.48-2301.83] >> And if my colleague will indulge me um do you have support from other
[2301.83-2301.84] do you have support from other
[2301.84-2303.11] do you have support from other conservative MPs for holding this
[2303.11-2303.12] conservative MPs for holding this
[2303.12-2304.63] conservative MPs for holding this inquiry? Do you have support from the
[2304.63-2304.64] inquiry? Do you have support from the
[2304.64-2305.99] inquiry? Do you have support from the Conservative leader Pierre Paul of
[2305.99-2306.00] Conservative leader Pierre Paul of
[2306.00-2306.87] Conservative leader Pierre Paul of holding this inquiry?
[2306.87-2306.88] holding this inquiry?
[2306.88-2308.47] holding this inquiry? >> No absolutely. As a matter of fact, I
[2308.47-2308.48] >> No absolutely. As a matter of fact, I
[2308.48-2310.47] >> No absolutely. As a matter of fact, I know that uh Pierre when Pierre's out on
[2310.47-2310.48] know that uh Pierre when Pierre's out on
[2310.48-2311.99] know that uh Pierre when Pierre's out on the road, uh he's told me as himself
[2311.99-2312.00] the road, uh he's told me as himself
[2312.00-2314.47] the road, uh he's told me as himself that individuals have come up to him and
[2314.47-2314.48] that individuals have come up to him and
[2314.48-2316.63] that individuals have come up to him and as as you know, Pierre, he'll if he's at
[2316.63-2316.64] as as you know, Pierre, he'll if he's at
[2316.64-2319.43] as as you know, Pierre, he'll if he's at an event, he'll stay for an hour or two
[2319.43-2319.44] an event, he'll stay for an hour or two
[2319.44-2321.35] an event, he'll stay for an hour or two until every person comes through. I
[2321.35-2321.36] until every person comes through. I
[2321.36-2322.95] until every person comes through. I think one of the greatest litmus tests
[2322.95-2322.96] think one of the greatest litmus tests
[2322.96-2325.03] think one of the greatest litmus tests uh of an MP is when you're out in the
[2325.03-2325.04] uh of an MP is when you're out in the
[2325.04-2326.55] uh of an MP is when you're out in the riding and hearing what people have to
[2326.55-2326.56] riding and hearing what people have to
[2326.56-2328.47] riding and hearing what people have to say. So, absolutely, he's aware of that
[2328.47-2328.48] say. So, absolutely, he's aware of that
[2328.48-2329.67] say. So, absolutely, he's aware of that because he's aware that people have been
[2329.67-2329.68] because he's aware that people have been
[2329.68-2330.79] because he's aware that people have been injured because they come and talk to
[2330.79-2330.80] injured because they come and talk to
[2330.80-2332.95] injured because they come and talk to him. Uh as far as uh as far as other
[2332.95-2332.96] him. Uh as far as uh as far as other
[2332.96-2334.95] him. Uh as far as uh as far as other conservatives, absolutely. I mean, uh,
[2334.95-2334.96] conservatives, absolutely. I mean, uh,
[2334.96-2336.31] conservatives, absolutely. I mean, uh, as conservatives, we all have a number
[2336.31-2336.32] as conservatives, we all have a number
[2336.32-2338.15] as conservatives, we all have a number of initiatives that we're involved in
[2338.15-2338.16] of initiatives that we're involved in
[2338.16-2340.71] of initiatives that we're involved in and areas of responsibility. Uh, we will
[2340.71-2340.72] and areas of responsibility. Uh, we will
[2340.72-2341.67] and areas of responsibility. Uh, we will have there'll be definitely some
[2341.67-2341.68] have there'll be definitely some
[2341.68-2343.27] have there'll be definitely some conservatives that'll be coming to hear
[2343.27-2343.28] conservatives that'll be coming to hear
[2343.28-2345.75] conservatives that'll be coming to hear hear some of the stories. And as we get
[2345.75-2345.76] hear some of the stories. And as we get
[2345.76-2348.23] hear some of the stories. And as we get closer to that date, we we anticipate
[2348.23-2348.24] closer to that date, we we anticipate
[2348.24-2349.91] closer to that date, we we anticipate there'll be a lot more that uh that will
[2349.91-2349.92] there'll be a lot more that uh that will
[2349.92-2351.43] there'll be a lot more that uh that will be there to be able to hear. And once
[2351.43-2351.44] be there to be able to hear. And once
[2351.44-2353.11] be there to be able to hear. And once again, we we'll open this to everybody.
[2353.11-2353.12] again, we we'll open this to everybody.
[2353.12-2355.91] again, we we'll open this to everybody. Once again, the NDP, uh, the block, uh,
[2355.91-2355.92] Once again, the NDP, uh, the block, uh,
[2355.92-2357.43] Once again, the NDP, uh, the block, uh, and the Liberals as well. We we we'd
[2357.43-2357.44] and the Liberals as well. We we we'd
[2357.44-2358.87] and the Liberals as well. We we we'd love to have them there.
[2358.87-2358.88] love to have them there.
[2358.88-2360.55] love to have them there. >> Perfect. I have a question as well. I'm
[2360.55-2360.56] >> Perfect. I have a question as well. I'm
[2360.56-2363.75] >> Perfect. I have a question as well. I'm Rachel Haynes. I'm with CTV. Um,
[2363.75-2363.76] Rachel Haynes. I'm with CTV. Um,
[2363.76-2364.39] Rachel Haynes. I'm with CTV. Um, >> thank you.
[2364.39-2364.40] >> thank you.
[2364.40-2366.31] >> thank you. >> Yeah, thanks. [laughter]
[2366.31-2366.32] >> Yeah, thanks. [laughter]
[2366.32-2366.71] >> Yeah, thanks. [laughter] >> Thank you.
[2366.71-2366.72] >> Thank you.
[2366.72-2369.03] >> Thank you. >> Yeah, lots of people here today. Um,
[2369.03-2369.04] >> Yeah, lots of people here today. Um,
[2369.04-2370.71] >> Yeah, lots of people here today. Um, we've seen Dr. Fouchy in the United
[2370.71-2370.72] we've seen Dr. Fouchy in the United
[2370.72-2372.23] we've seen Dr. Fouchy in the United States be called to testify in front of
[2372.23-2372.24] States be called to testify in front of
[2372.24-2373.59] States be called to testify in front of Congress. Do you have any plans to
[2373.59-2373.60] Congress. Do you have any plans to
[2373.60-2375.67] Congress. Do you have any plans to invite Dr. Terresa Tam who led some of
[2375.67-2375.68] invite Dr. Terresa Tam who led some of
[2375.68-2377.43] invite Dr. Terresa Tam who led some of these vaccine initiatives when she was
[2377.43-2377.44] these vaccine initiatives when she was
[2377.44-2379.03] these vaccine initiatives when she was the chief public health officer at this
[2379.03-2379.04] the chief public health officer at this
[2379.04-2379.43] the chief public health officer at this time?
[2379.43-2379.44] time?
[2379.44-2380.87] time? >> Yeah. No, there's no plans for that. And
[2380.87-2380.88] >> Yeah. No, there's no plans for that. And
[2380.88-2381.99] >> Yeah. No, there's no plans for that. And once again, I think it was pointed out,
[2381.99-2382.00] once again, I think it was pointed out,
[2382.00-2384.63] once again, I think it was pointed out, we don't have the ability to compel uh
[2384.63-2384.64] we don't have the ability to compel uh
[2384.64-2386.71] we don't have the ability to compel uh witnesses. And so we really wanted to
[2386.71-2386.72] witnesses. And so we really wanted to
[2386.72-2388.87] witnesses. And so we really wanted to keep this a narrow focus, listening to
[2388.87-2388.88] keep this a narrow focus, listening to
[2388.88-2391.51] keep this a narrow focus, listening to people's stories and and and hopefully
[2391.51-2391.52] people's stories and and and hopefully
[2391.52-2393.11] people's stories and and and hopefully being able to raise the alarm at how
[2393.11-2393.12] being able to raise the alarm at how
[2393.12-2395.43] being able to raise the alarm at how difficult the program has been to
[2395.43-2395.44] difficult the program has been to
[2395.44-2397.51] difficult the program has been to access. Global News did a great article
[2397.51-2397.52] access. Global News did a great article
[2397.52-2400.39] access. Global News did a great article on a four-part series last year uh which
[2400.39-2400.40] on a four-part series last year uh which
[2400.40-2402.63] on a four-part series last year uh which was something that the health committee
[2402.63-2402.64] was something that the health committee
[2402.64-2405.35] was something that the health committee uh was was thinking about be uh for for
[2405.35-2405.36] uh was was thinking about be uh for for
[2405.36-2407.27] uh was was thinking about be uh for for a period of time. So, we know there's we
[2407.27-2407.28] a period of time. So, we know there's we
[2407.28-2408.55] a period of time. So, we know there's we know there's interest there and I think
[2408.55-2408.56] know there's interest there and I think
[2408.56-2410.55] know there's interest there and I think that uh at the end of the day, we'd love
[2410.55-2410.56] that uh at the end of the day, we'd love
[2410.56-2412.31] that uh at the end of the day, we'd love to see an opportunity for the government
[2412.31-2412.32] to see an opportunity for the government
[2412.32-2414.23] to see an opportunity for the government to do better in the second round of what
[2414.23-2414.24] to do better in the second round of what
[2414.24-2415.75] to do better in the second round of what they do.
[2415.75-2415.76] they do.
[2415.76-2419.91] they do. >> And um we know that you were a little
[2419.91-2419.92] >> And um we know that you were a little
[2419.92-2421.91] >> And um we know that you were a little against you were against co vaccines
[2421.91-2421.92] against you were against co vaccines
[2421.92-2423.19] against you were against co vaccines back in uh 201.
[2423.19-2423.20] back in uh 201.
[2423.20-2425.43] back in uh 201. >> I was I was I was I supported choice.
[2425.43-2425.44] >> I was I was I was I supported choice.
[2425.44-2428.15] >> I was I was I was I supported choice. >> Choice. Okay. Agreed. Uh fair point. Um,
[2428.15-2428.16] >> Choice. Okay. Agreed. Uh fair point. Um,
[2428.16-2429.75] >> Choice. Okay. Agreed. Uh fair point. Um, and I guess I'm wondering if if you're
[2429.75-2429.76] and I guess I'm wondering if if you're
[2429.76-2431.67] and I guess I'm wondering if if you're going to be hearing from experts who
[2431.67-2431.68] going to be hearing from experts who
[2431.68-2433.51] going to be hearing from experts who believe in the safety of the CO 19
[2433.51-2433.52] believe in the safety of the CO 19
[2433.52-2435.03] believe in the safety of the CO 19 vaccine, who may have a different
[2435.03-2435.04] vaccine, who may have a different
[2435.04-2436.39] vaccine, who may have a different perspective from you.
[2436.39-2436.40] perspective from you.
[2436.40-2438.63] perspective from you. >> Yeah. No, we're we're basically want to
[2438.63-2438.64] >> Yeah. No, we're we're basically want to
[2438.64-2440.63] >> Yeah. No, we're we're basically want to hear from from constituents across the
[2440.63-2440.64] hear from from constituents across the
[2440.64-2442.47] hear from from constituents across the country and what they're what and what
[2442.47-2442.48] country and what they're what and what
[2442.48-2444.15] country and what they're what and what they're doing and what the the challenge
[2444.15-2444.16] they're doing and what the the challenge
[2444.16-2446.15] they're doing and what the the challenge they've had to access these programs to
[2446.15-2446.16] they've had to access these programs to
[2446.16-2448.31] they've had to access these programs to try and make it better.
[2448.31-2448.32] try and make it better.
[2448.32-2451.35] try and make it better. >> And um I noticed on the website you're
[2451.35-2451.36] >> And um I noticed on the website you're
[2451.36-2454.71] >> And um I noticed on the website you're canvasing donations as well. Where are
[2454.71-2454.72] canvasing donations as well. Where are
[2454.72-2456.95] canvasing donations as well. Where are the funds from those donations going to?
[2456.95-2456.96] the funds from those donations going to?
[2456.96-2459.19] the funds from those donations going to? I believe that there was a nonprofit um
[2459.19-2459.20] I believe that there was a nonprofit um
[2459.20-2461.43] I believe that there was a nonprofit um set up that kind of overseeing this uh
[2461.43-2461.44] set up that kind of overseeing this uh
[2461.44-2462.79] set up that kind of overseeing this uh inquiry, but I would like to know more
[2462.79-2462.80] inquiry, but I would like to know more
[2462.80-2464.55] inquiry, but I would like to know more specifically where those donations would
[2464.55-2464.56] specifically where those donations would
[2464.56-2465.51] specifically where those donations would actually be going.
[2465.51-2465.52] actually be going.
[2465.52-2466.55] actually be going. >> Sure. Absolutely.
[2466.55-2466.56] >> Sure. Absolutely.
[2466.56-2467.59] >> Sure. Absolutely. >> Yeah. No. Yeah.
[2467.59-2467.60] >> Yeah. No. Yeah.
[2467.60-2470.71] >> Yeah. No. Yeah. >> So, yeah. So, the basically it's just
[2470.71-2470.72] >> So, yeah. So, the basically it's just
[2470.72-2472.87] >> So, yeah. So, the basically it's just the cost. So, everyone is a volunteer
[2472.87-2472.88] the cost. So, everyone is a volunteer
[2472.88-2475.27] the cost. So, everyone is a volunteer except for, you know, web contractors
[2475.27-2475.28] except for, you know, web contractors
[2475.28-2477.75] except for, you know, web contractors and and the like for setting up the
[2477.75-2477.76] and and the like for setting up the
[2477.76-2480.63] and and the like for setting up the infrastructure. We're paying some travel
[2480.63-2480.64] infrastructure. We're paying some travel
[2480.64-2482.71] infrastructure. We're paying some travel for witnesses. Um but we don't we were
[2482.71-2482.72] for witnesses. Um but we don't we were
[2482.72-2484.87] for witnesses. Um but we don't we were actually hoping we'd have enough to pay
[2484.87-2484.88] actually hoping we'd have enough to pay
[2484.88-2487.75] actually hoping we'd have enough to pay for all. So, um, it's all just so
[2487.75-2487.76] for all. So, um, it's all just so
[2487.76-2489.51] for all. So, um, it's all just so there's no salaries other than, you
[2489.51-2489.52] there's no salaries other than, you
[2489.52-2491.67] there's no salaries other than, you know, web web people and graphic people
[2491.67-2491.68] know, web web people and graphic people
[2491.68-2493.67] know, web web people and graphic people and the like. So, you know, I'm a
[2493.67-2493.68] and the like. So, you know, I'm a
[2493.68-2495.91] and the like. So, you know, I'm a volunteer, Trice is a volunteer, the
[2495.91-2495.92] volunteer, Trice is a volunteer, the
[2495.92-2497.27] volunteer, Trice is a volunteer, the people vetting, the witnesses are
[2497.27-2497.28] people vetting, the witnesses are
[2497.28-2499.27] people vetting, the witnesses are volunteer, you know, doctors that are
[2499.27-2499.28] volunteer, you know, doctors that are
[2499.28-2501.51] volunteer, you know, doctors that are helping to vet witnesses. Um, as it
[2501.51-2501.52] helping to vet witnesses. Um, as it
[2501.52-2502.87] helping to vet witnesses. Um, as it turns out, most witnesses will be
[2502.87-2502.88] turns out, most witnesses will be
[2502.88-2504.87] turns out, most witnesses will be calling their own doctors are agreeing
[2504.87-2504.88] calling their own doctors are agreeing
[2504.88-2506.55] calling their own doctors are agreeing that it's vaccine injury, but there's
[2506.55-2506.56] that it's vaccine injury, but there's
[2506.56-2508.79] that it's vaccine injury, but there's been some where we've had a panel of
[2508.79-2508.80] been some where we've had a panel of
[2508.80-2510.63] been some where we've had a panel of doctors look at it and see if it's a
[2510.63-2510.64] doctors look at it and see if it's a
[2510.64-2513.59] doctors look at it and see if it's a realistic thing. Um, because we came to
[2513.59-2513.60] realistic thing. Um, because we came to
[2513.60-2516.39] realistic thing. Um, because we came to realize there's that difficulty. So yeah
[2516.39-2516.40] realize there's that difficulty. So yeah
[2516.40-2518.63] realize there's that difficulty. So yeah and right so that's basically it is so
[2518.63-2518.64] and right so that's basically it is so
[2518.64-2521.59] and right so that's basically it is so we set up a nonprofit um so that we
[2521.59-2521.60] we set up a nonprofit um so that we
[2521.60-2523.43] we set up a nonprofit um so that we could collect funds and have a legal
[2523.43-2523.44] could collect funds and have a legal
[2523.44-2527.11] could collect funds and have a legal vehicle to pay for this. So
[2527.11-2527.12] vehicle to pay for this. So
[2527.12-2528.87] vehicle to pay for this. So >> thank I might just ask one more question
[2528.87-2528.88] >> thank I might just ask one more question
[2528.88-2530.79] >> thank I might just ask one more question as well just a bit more of a followup on
[2530.79-2530.80] as well just a bit more of a followup on
[2530.80-2533.59] as well just a bit more of a followup on my colleagues questions about what the
[2533.59-2533.60] my colleagues questions about what the
[2533.60-2535.35] my colleagues questions about what the um actual focus is. I mean in my
[2535.35-2535.36] um actual focus is. I mean in my
[2535.36-2536.63] um actual focus is. I mean in my questions to you just now you talked
[2536.63-2536.64] questions to you just now you talked
[2536.64-2539.35] questions to you just now you talked about the vaccine injury program itself.
[2539.35-2539.36] about the vaccine injury program itself.
[2539.36-2542.23] about the vaccine injury program itself. Um my gathering from u Dr. Hoff was
[2542.23-2542.24] Um my gathering from u Dr. Hoff was
[2542.24-2544.39] Um my gathering from u Dr. Hoff was about some of the safety of the vaccine.
[2544.39-2544.40] about some of the safety of the vaccine.
[2544.40-2547.03] about some of the safety of the vaccine. So I'm just really wondering you know
[2547.03-2547.04] So I'm just really wondering you know
[2547.04-2551.75] So I'm just really wondering you know what is the actual focus of this and um
[2551.75-2551.76] what is the actual focus of this and um
[2551.76-2554.23] what is the actual focus of this and um if is it if it is just about the vaccine
[2554.23-2554.24] if is it if it is just about the vaccine
[2554.24-2556.31] if is it if it is just about the vaccine injury program which we have seen some
[2556.31-2556.32] injury program which we have seen some
[2556.32-2558.47] injury program which we have seen some criticism of or if it is actually just
[2558.47-2558.48] criticism of or if it is actually just
[2558.48-2560.87] criticism of or if it is actually just to listen about the safety of vaccines
[2560.87-2560.88] to listen about the safety of vaccines
[2560.88-2562.95] to listen about the safety of vaccines and people's opinions on vaccines.
[2562.95-2562.96] and people's opinions on vaccines.
[2562.96-2565.19] and people's opinions on vaccines. >> Yeah. No uh it's I think what Dr. Hoff
[2565.19-2565.20] >> Yeah. No uh it's I think what Dr. Hoff
[2565.20-2566.71] >> Yeah. No uh it's I think what Dr. Hoff was trying to illustrate is the
[2566.71-2566.72] was trying to illustrate is the
[2566.72-2569.27] was trying to illustrate is the difficulty around doctors being able to
[2569.27-2569.28] difficulty around doctors being able to
[2569.28-2571.91] difficulty around doctors being able to to identify these things because of fear
[2571.91-2571.92] to identify these things because of fear
[2571.92-2574.15] to identify these things because of fear of what they have to deal with. uh what
[2574.15-2574.16] of what they have to deal with. uh what
[2574.16-2576.71] of what they have to deal with. uh what what we are doing what I set up to do is
[2576.71-2576.72] what we are doing what I set up to do is
[2576.72-2579.59] what we are doing what I set up to do is to listen and to then advocate on behalf
[2579.59-2579.60] to listen and to then advocate on behalf
[2579.60-2581.03] to listen and to then advocate on behalf of these individuals for the vaccine
[2581.03-2581.04] of these individuals for the vaccine
[2581.04-2583.83] of these individuals for the vaccine nutrient program. Uh once again, you
[2583.83-2583.84] nutrient program. Uh once again, you
[2583.84-2585.43] nutrient program. Uh once again, you know, good work from Global News last
[2585.43-2585.44] know, good work from Global News last
[2585.44-2586.95] know, good work from Global News last year. Some of these things may never
[2586.95-2586.96] year. Some of these things may never
[2586.96-2588.95] year. Some of these things may never have come forward. And so I think that
[2588.95-2588.96] have come forward. And so I think that
[2588.96-2590.63] have come forward. And so I think that if we could do that, I think that would
[2590.63-2590.64] if we could do that, I think that would
[2590.64-2593.03] if we could do that, I think that would be helpful. People have a chance to uh
[2593.03-2593.04] be helpful. People have a chance to uh
[2593.04-2594.95] be helpful. People have a chance to uh you know, talk about the what they've
[2594.95-2594.96] you know, talk about the what they've
[2594.96-2595.99] you know, talk about the what they've struggled with and they feel like
[2595.99-2596.00] struggled with and they feel like
[2596.00-2597.75] struggled with and they feel like they've been alone. The word that keeps
[2597.75-2597.76] they've been alone. The word that keeps
[2597.76-2598.95] they've been alone. The word that keeps coming up is people feel like they've
[2598.95-2598.96] coming up is people feel like they've
[2598.96-2601.19] coming up is people feel like they've been abandoned. And so if we could deal
[2601.19-2601.20] been abandoned. And so if we could deal
[2601.20-2602.71] been abandoned. And so if we could deal with that and then the next part would
[2602.71-2602.72] with that and then the next part would
[2602.72-2604.87] with that and then the next part would be if the government's listening we'd
[2604.87-2604.88] be if the government's listening we'd
[2604.88-2607.19] be if the government's listening we'd love we'd love definitely for them to do
[2607.19-2607.20] love we'd love definitely for them to do
[2607.20-2608.95] love we'd love definitely for them to do a better job maybe create more money
[2608.95-2608.96] a better job maybe create more money
[2608.96-2610.31] a better job maybe create more money streamline the process there's a number
[2610.31-2610.32] streamline the process there's a number
[2610.32-2611.67] streamline the process there's a number of different things the government will
[2611.67-2611.68] of different things the government will
[2611.68-2613.19] of different things the government will figure that out and maybe that's why
[2613.19-2613.20] figure that out and maybe that's why
[2613.20-2615.03] figure that out and maybe that's why they brought it back in house but while
[2615.03-2615.04] they brought it back in house but while
[2615.04-2616.31] they brought it back in house but while they're still trying to decide what that
[2616.31-2616.32] they're still trying to decide what that
[2616.32-2617.67] they're still trying to decide what that program is going to look like I think
[2617.67-2617.68] program is going to look like I think
[2617.68-2620.07] program is going to look like I think this is a fantastic opportunity to give
[2620.07-2620.08] this is a fantastic opportunity to give
[2620.08-2622.15] this is a fantastic opportunity to give them feedback on that as well
[2622.15-2622.16] them feedback on that as well
[2622.16-2622.71] them feedback on that as well >> that then
[2622.71-2622.72] >> that then
[2622.72-2624.07] >> that then >> we don't have any more time after this
[2624.07-2624.08] >> we don't have any more time after this
[2624.08-2625.19] >> we don't have any more time after this question this is
[2625.19-2625.20] question this is
[2625.20-2628.23] question this is >> thank yous just one more after this he
[2628.23-2628.24] >> thank yous just one more after this he
[2628.24-2629.99] >> thank yous just one more after this he said no more questions okay Yeah.
[2629.99-2630.00] said no more questions okay Yeah.
[2630.00-2632.95] said no more questions okay Yeah. >> Thanks. Uh so if you want the government
[2632.95-2632.96] >> Thanks. Uh so if you want the government
[2632.96-2635.59] >> Thanks. Uh so if you want the government to listen to what is being said, are you
[2635.59-2635.60] to listen to what is being said, are you
[2635.60-2638.63] to listen to what is being said, are you not concerned that uh having a platform
[2638.63-2638.64] not concerned that uh having a platform
[2638.64-2640.31] not concerned that uh having a platform for Canadians who have legitimate
[2640.31-2640.32] for Canadians who have legitimate
[2640.32-2643.03] for Canadians who have legitimate vaccine injuries be shared with doctors
[2643.03-2643.04] vaccine injuries be shared with doctors
[2643.04-2645.11] vaccine injuries be shared with doctors who believe that their patients or
[2645.11-2645.12] who believe that their patients or
[2645.12-2646.31] who believe that their patients or wanted their patients to be given
[2646.31-2646.32] wanted their patients to be given
[2646.32-2648.23] wanted their patients to be given ivormectin is not entirely
[2648.23-2648.24] ivormectin is not entirely
[2648.24-2650.79] ivormectin is not entirely delegitimizing the process and therefore
[2650.79-2650.80] delegitimizing the process and therefore
[2650.80-2652.15] delegitimizing the process and therefore having the government essentially tune
[2652.15-2652.16] having the government essentially tune
[2652.16-2653.83] having the government essentially tune this whole thing out. Well, like I said,
[2653.83-2653.84] this whole thing out. Well, like I said,
[2653.84-2655.43] this whole thing out. Well, like I said, we're going to talk to uh we're going to
[2655.43-2655.44] we're going to talk to uh we're going to
[2655.44-2657.19] we're going to talk to uh we're going to talk to individuals and those
[2657.19-2657.20] talk to individuals and those
[2657.20-2658.95] talk to individuals and those individuals uh are going to share their
[2658.95-2658.96] individuals uh are going to share their
[2658.96-2660.63] individuals uh are going to share their stories and as I said, the government
[2660.63-2660.64] stories and as I said, the government
[2660.64-2661.91] stories and as I said, the government admits themselves to people who have
[2661.91-2661.92] admits themselves to people who have
[2661.92-2663.59] admits themselves to people who have been vaccinated injured. They set up a
[2663.59-2663.60] been vaccinated injured. They set up a
[2663.60-2665.99] been vaccinated injured. They set up a program called VISP and that's that
[2665.99-2666.00] program called VISP and that's that
[2666.00-2667.83] program called VISP and that's that program has not worked very well. So, we
[2667.83-2667.84] program has not worked very well. So, we
[2667.84-2669.19] program has not worked very well. So, we want to give them input on that so the
[2669.19-2669.20] want to give them input on that so the
[2669.20-2670.79] want to give them input on that so the next program can be better. Thank you
[2670.79-2670.80] next program can be better. Thank you
[2670.80-2672.23] next program can be better. Thank you very much, guys.
[2672.23-2672.24] very much, guys.
[2672.24-2674.23] very much, guys. >> No. Anyways, sorry Jordan. Um are you
[2674.23-2674.24] >> No. Anyways, sorry Jordan. Um are you
[2674.24-2676.15] >> No. Anyways, sorry Jordan. Um are you going to be publishing any of your
[2676.15-2676.16] going to be publishing any of your
[2676.16-2677.91] going to be publishing any of your conversations or your findings?
[2677.91-2677.92] conversations or your findings?
[2677.92-2679.51] conversations or your findings? >> We'll we'll we'll publish stuff to the
[2679.51-2679.52] >> We'll we'll we'll publish stuff to the
[2679.52-2681.59] >> We'll we'll we'll publish stuff to the website. Yeah. Perfect. Thanks. Thanks
[2681.59-2681.60] website. Yeah. Perfect. Thanks. Thanks
[2681.60-2684.40] website. Yeah. Perfect. Thanks. Thanks very much for coming, guys.